Vladimir Putin 'spits in Trump's face'

[andy06shake]

I disagree, if you take the medias word for it sure, but I dont since they will paint any and everything the Trump admin does in an extremely negative way. The fact were talking for about half a year now is a good thing, and brought us closer to an end in sight, because we now know what wont get there.

If you want peace you first have to exhaust all other options. And standing up with pouring money in again is not going to help either, weve done that, so the only remaining option is boots- on-the- ground-standing up against Putin. And that is the last thing we should try, but I do think it will be necessary.

Disagree if you must, but your argument collapses under its own contradictions.

Claiming media bias doesn't erase the documented reality.

Trump has repeatedly frozen, undermined, or politicised Ukraine aid, which helped Putin, not peace.

Talking for half a year isn't progress, it's diplomatic stalling while Russia entrenches itself, and even more soldiers and civilians die.

And your logic that "we tried money, so next is U.S. boots on the ground" is backwards.

Sustained military aid directly prevents a NATO-Russia conflict.

Cutting it off simply gives Russia more room to manoeuvre.

Peace doesn't come from letting dictators win by exhaustion. 

It comes from standing up against them, bloodying their nose, and sending them home to think again.

[andy06shake]

Indeed. But I think peace requires boots on the ground.

Also I dont understand why Putin was allowed to use foreign military but Ukraine isnt?... That shows weakness. The moment Russia started using soldiers from Belarus, China and North Korea we shouldve just entered. Or the EU at least.

Here's the blunt reality Elite.
 
NATO/US boots on the ground wouldn't bring peace.

They'd trigger World War 3.

NATO troops, fighting Russian troops, turns a regional invasion, into a direct superpower conflict, with nuclear stakes.

[Creaky]

God bless Putin, hope he gets what he wants 
Proxy US/western war 
Putin made one mistake, not going in hard enough
10 year civil war, what did you expect

[andy06shake]

God bless Putin, hope he gets what he wants 
Proxy US/western war 
Putin made one mistake, not going in hard enough
10 year civil war, what did you expect

That appears to be Ukraine, clearly.
 
If Putin got his wish, I really don't see him stopping there.
 
As for going in hard enough.

They tried that at the beginning of the "Special Military Operation", trying to seize an airport.

Where Russian forces had their arses handed to them, and their special forces were decimated.

[ElitePlebeian]

Disagree if you must, but your argument collapses under its own contradictions.

Claiming media bias doesn't erase the documented reality.

Trump has repeatedly frozen, undermined, or politicised Ukraine aid, which helped Putin, not peace.

Talking for half a year isn't progress, it's diplomatic stalling while Russia entrenches itself, and even more soldiers and civilians die.

And your logic that "we tried money, so next is U.S. boots on the ground" is backwards.

Sustained military aid directly prevents a NATO-Russia conflict.

Cutting it off simply gives Russia more room to manoeuvre.

Peace doesn't come from letting dictators win by exhaustion. 

It comes from standing up against them, bloodying their nose, and sending them home to think again.

Saying my argument collapses doesnt make it so. 

Media is not reality, especially articles that involve Trump or his administration. 

Pouring in money is what weve tried for years so that also didnt help. It was due for a different approach, and while I agree it helped Russia, Ukraine also needed to be pressured. With endless money of others they would keep fighting and thats definitely not going to bring peace.

How do you think peace happens if not through peace talks,  or show of actual force (so not throwing money at it hoping after years now something will change) Wtf... Ofcourse its progress and its literally the only way other than trying to beat Russia by pouring in money. Which we know doesnt work. So its that or boots on the ground, and both will be required if Russia doesnt want to listen to reason. But you can only figure that out by trying, which is what Trump finally did, so yes thats progress.

[Kurokage]

God bless Putin, hope he gets what he wants 
Proxy US/western war 
Putin made one mistake, not going in hard enough
10 year civil war, what did you expect

I don't think God will be blessing Putin for his actions.

It's not a civil war, Ukraine is a sovereign independent nation, which Russia decided it didn't like and wanted to seize it again, just as they did after WW2.

[Kurokage]

How do you think peace happens if not through peace talks,  or show of actual force (so not throwing money at it hoping after years now something will change) Wtf... Ofcourse its progress and its literally the only way other than trying to beat Russia by pouring in money. Which we know doesnt work. So its that or boots on the ground, and both will be required if Russia doesnt want to listen to reason. But you can only figure that out by trying, which is what Trump finally did, so yes thats progress.

Peace talks are a negotiation that involves discussion, persuasion, and compromise to resolve differences. Neither side is out right winning this war (Russia media propaganda aside). Russia are demanding everything and giving nothing, and after a million Russians either injured or dead and many thousands of lost military equipment, they not in any position to make demands.
https://thedailydigest.com/en/archivo/yo...have-been/

Since President Vladimir Putin launched Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, growing cracks have begun to show in his military. The Russian armed forces have suffered staggering equipment losses, with confirmed reports indicating that more than 22,000 units have been destroyed or lost.
One of the best sources of independent information on both Russian and Ukrainian military equipment losses comes from the Dutch open-source intelligence Oryx, which only posts loss figures from verified photo or video evidence of destroyed, damaged, captured, or abandoned weapons.

[andy06shake]

Saying my argument collapses doesnt make it so. 

Media is not reality, especially articles that involve Trump or his administration. 

Pouring in money is what weve tried for years so that also didnt help. It was due for a different approach, and while I agree it helped Russia, Ukraine also needed to be pressured. With endless money of others they would keep fighting and thats definitely not going to bring peace.

How do you think peace happens if not through peace talks,  or show of actual force (so not throwing money at it hoping after years now something will change) Wtf... Ofcourse its progress and its literally the only way other than trying to beat Russia by pouring in money. Which we know doesnt work. So its that or boots on the ground, and both will be required if Russia doesnt want to listen to reason. But you can only figure that out by trying, which is what Trump finally did, so yes thats progress.

Your argument doesn't fail because i said so Elite.

If falls apart because it relies on assumptions that don't match reality.

Funding Ukraine wasn't some random "endless tap."

It prevented an entire sovereign nation from collapsing and stopped Russia from steamrolling over half of Europe.

Peace talks aren't magical events that appear when you pressure both sides.

They require one side not to be actively invading.

Suggesting Trump produced "progress" by urging talks ignores that Russia only negotiates when militarily cornered.

Not when politely asked.

Pretending otherwise isn't strategic thinking.

It's just oversimplifying a complex situation to fit a convenient narrative.

Russia’s behavior is diabolical, they dont want peace, they want more time, to take more land.

[Creaky]

That appears to be Ukraine, clearly.
 
If Putin got his wish, I really don't see him stopping there.
 
As for going in hard enough.

They tried that at the beginning of the "Special Military Operation", trying to seize an airport.

Where Russian forces had their arses handed to them, and their special forces were decimated.

https://www.rt.com/russia/628741-corrupt...stern-aid/
It’s your money Zelenskyy took and was given by you, into his pocket
But that’s ok, because merika

[Creaky]

I don't think God will be blessing Putin for his actions.

It's not a civil war, Ukraine is a sovereign independent nation, which Russia decided it didn't like and wanted to seize it again, just as they did after WW2.

Certainly doesn’t look like God is blessing the Uke’s
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/2...or-ukraine
of course Zelenskyy is innocent. 
ukraine was not a sovereign independent nation after the Western colour revolution 
Why would Putin ease up and offer a deal when he is in control, brain dead to accept any type of bargain when he is in control 
Grow up all of you, use your brain