University Looking For Gender Diverse Kids to Play with Transgender Dolls for Researc

[Byrd]

I feel like I'm not in harmony with some of what you offer, I mean that respectfully. 
It could be my own errant considerations but I'm not inclined to see the useful correlation between what can be observed in children's organic play with application to "society."

Children (presumably)) have some very distinct constraints in mimicry, which is part of the trinity of 'play' to my mind... mimicry, modeling, and synthesis.  Kids operate from a truncated vantage point... their "society" can be fairly summed up with one word... "family."  As a child's activities extend beyond family... to include friends and "adults,"  they haven't really experienced enough time to internalize "social order."  This is natural, they are children.  (Innocence is bliss... which children truly require to thrive.)

Perhaps I'm too simplistic, but I contend that "identity" is not a part of growing up; identity is the result of growing up.

Subjecting children to bizarre externalities and observing what happens seems to say more about the researchers than the research, to my uneducated mind.  

But I admit, the results might prove useful to any willing to infer the narrative that in every child their is a crisis of gender brewing... (and there always has been.)

We will respectfully disagree then.  I come from families where (there's always one, I think) people grow up to be so different than the others in the environment that formed them.  That disjoint between self and family means that my lot were usually "disinherited" (either by themselves or the family) for being "wrong."

I was too "strange" for my parents to be entirely comfortable with (I may have mentioned that I'm autistic and that they thought about institutionalizing me at one point) -- in spite of society and hardcore reinforcement, I simply couldn't conform for more than a half hour at a time.  With a husband (and now family and friends) who allowed me to be what I am, I am comfortable with myself, happy, and engaged with life.  I have a family and dear friends who love me for the weird, over-educated autistic person that I am.

At one point I was married to a man who (like my parents) wanted to train me into a Perfect Womanly Wife... and he, like my parents, found me intolerably "wrong."  I was miserable in that role.  I could do it, but there was no joy in it.  If he hadn't divorced me, I would probably be dead (inside and probably actually dead) by now.

Not everyone's experiences, of course, but perhaps you can see somewhat why my experiences give me this viewpoint.  But... it's okay to disagree, eh?

In any case, it's the Christmas holiday... so merry-merry to you and yours.  We're going to have Christmas Eve dinner with our daughter (since she doesn't have a partner) and sushi, and I intend to make this a tradition to brighten her holidays.  :)

[xuenchen]

These dolls need interchangeable parts and reverse battery power switches. 
 

I'm just picturing barbie tits on a Ken doll with a tiny doll penis. It's kinda sad funny.

But you don't need dolls with genitals to identify gender association in children, that's just creepy and perverted.

"Let's ask and then watch children play with sex dolls. What could go wrong?"

I get that they're trying to identify the sex map young, but there are much easier ways, or there was when gender stereotypes were still allowed.

Girls constructively and empathetically play.
Boys destructively and mercilessly play.

The boy tears the head off the barbie doll and taunts his sister with it. The sister gets upset and screams and tells mom her brothers being mean, maybe gets him back clandestinely.

This study is going to go observer effect on them and they won't get a natural reading because the kids play won't be natural. It's way too specific and they'll feel watched and judged, and could be already predisposed to gender issues.

They need normal toys under the premise of just playing. They need to trick them.

Observe even their interaction and defer to male and female child social tendencies. Boys are easier as children. Girls can be tomboys all day and be straight or the term for normal. With girls you have to wait for the impulse to tape down the tits, when they're 13, and even that's not across the board. It's like a spectrum of normal straight to transgender whatever with a lot of degrees of gay, and not any set identity.

So let's do boys for being simpler.

Boy A wants to role play as a teacher, and Boy B and C get mad because they want to play Navy Seals. So then Boy B and C do it anyway and Boy A gets upset because they don't want to play school with him and reacts emotionally towards them, or makes it dramatic. You are now identifying "feminine" tendencies in Boy A. At least in my now outdated opinion.

[xuenchen]

It's university brainwashing for beginners. 
 

Respectfully ... 

Kids who are 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ... they don't know anything about being 'trans'.   If they have a penis they are a boy and if they have a vagina they are a girl.  And they don't fully understand what being a boy or a girl mean.   Any kid that age who says they are 'trans' only says so because some adult has stuffed that into their brain.  

These toys are grooming and are tools for adults with a political-trans agenda to further their lunacy.

[Maxmars]

We will respectfully disagree then.
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Not everyone's experiences, of course, but perhaps you can see somewhat why my experiences give me this viewpoint.  But... it's okay to disagree, eh?

In any case, it's the Christmas holiday... so merry-merry to you and yours.  We're going to have Christmas Eve dinner with our daughter (since she doesn't have a partner) and sushi, and I intend to make this a tradition to brighten her holidays.  :)

I come closer to understanding, I believe.

My contention was never to detract from the reality of living a life, with all it's disparate pressures and moments of confrontation.  I am well prepared to recognize those terrible things which are the 'expectations' of others.  And I promise you that I can relate to it (I think I am a candidate for the pseudo-diagnosis of "defiant" disorder... growing up was no placid picnic for me either.)

I suppose that there will be no harm done to the children... so my criticisms are not meant to be fiery... I am maintaining that they are looking at children as if they will provide an answer to the great "gender" issue... the answer isn't in children... it's in activism.

Children don't "require" societal pressure... in fact, it seems cruel to apply it to them.

But sincerely, I thank you for your patient kindness. 

And I appreciate the Christmas cheer!

A flower for you 

[FlyersFan]

I beg to differ.  They know what being a boy is and what being a girl is and they know what behaviors are "boy" and "girl".  If you've read up on gender issues, you know that a very small minority of kids do not conform to their gender.

Lemme try again  .....

What I'm saying is that kids that age don't know anything about supposedly being 'trans'.
A five year old boy isn't going to say that he's a girl unless some adult tells him that.
He's going to assume that he's a boy ... CUZ THATS WHAT HE IS.

[Byrd]

Lemme try again  .....

What I'm saying is that kids that age don't know anything about supposedly being 'trans'.
A five year old boy isn't going to say that he's a girl unless some adult tells him that.
He's going to assume that he's a boy ... CUZ THATS WHAT HE IS.

No one is telling him or her that.  

But there ARE children who do insist that they're the wrong gender.  And some of them do have genetic abnormalities that would match this and that would be in play from birth onward.  They're rare, but they do exist.  No one socializes them into this.
https://www.hudson.org.au/news/written-i...ansgender/

With these conditions, someone would present as a different gender (and remember that sex hormones are present in the body even as infants)
https://cashp.columbian.gwu.edu/trans-genes

It's about 2 percent of the population: https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/07/25/i-...hildren-us

In other words, about the same percentage as people who are trans.

So they're trying to identify kids who feel this (apparently genetic) difference earlier and help them and their parents decide the right gender, rather than having them grow up and be bullied for their differences in school and then make an awkward transition as an adult.

[Karl12]

If you've read up on gender issues..

I've read up on the actual founding documents of 'gender issues' and amazing how many paedophiles were involved in the drafting of them.

You obviously know what I mean if you have in any way studied the subject ('queer' theory being a good example).

Any thoughts on that?

[FlyersFan]

No one is telling him or her that.  

Yeah they are.   Indoctrination.   Gender bending.   Idiot adults wrongly telling 5 year old boys that they might be girls, when in fact they are boys, or wrongly telling 5 year old girls that they might be boys, when they are in fact just girls.

The trans-fad ... pushed by adults ... not something that would naturally come into the mind of a 5 year old.

[xuenchen]

Science might show correlations with "thinking" and actual xx/xy variants, rather than suggestive brainwashing. These "Kids" that seem to 'think" they are not what they may actually be, do they have xx/xy variants? Can we trust "reports" not to be biased for money?
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No one is telling him or her that.  

But there ARE children who do insist that they're the wrong gender.  And some of them do have genetic abnormalities that would match this and that would be in play from birth onward.  They're rare, but they do exist.  No one socializes them into this.
https://www.hudson.org.au/news/written-i...ansgender/

With these conditions, someone would present as a different gender (and remember that sex hormones are present in the body even as infants)
https://cashp.columbian.gwu.edu/trans-genes

It's about 2 percent of the population: https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/07/25/i-...hildren-us

In other words, about the same percentage as people who are trans.

So they're trying to identify kids who feel this (apparently genetic) difference earlier and help them and their parents decide the right gender, rather than having them grow up and be bullied for their differences in school and then make an awkward transition as an adult.

[marg6043]

I am from an older generation, it was nothing wrong we us been children and doing children stuff, we grew healthy and responsible.

Today is difference, today is a fixation on children, like they have become a subject of a big social experiment and many parent are either ignorant or stupid to see what is been done.

Nobody needs to experiment on children, let the children do their thing, they will grow up healthier.