UFOs And Stopped Clocks

[Karl12]

I wonder too if the electro magnetic effects affect the human psyche.

​There is a lot going on here that might be both objective and subjective.

Both very fair points there mate and although some of these cases include other UFO reports from around the same time and area I can appreciate the viewpoint that some of these experiences are subjective to the witness.

Regarding stopped clocks and a sense of dislocation or 'timelessness' (sometimes accompanied by an 'unnatural silence') then researcher Tim Swartz reports below on yet another very strange wristwatch example from Ohio in June, 2001.

The full article also goes into speculation about spatial changes, altered states of consciousness and potential time distortions and is quite an entertaining read.







Lost time case:

As soon as the lights flew away,” Deborah said, “the car started running again all by itself. The lights and radio were on just as they were before everything happened.”

According to their watches, the strange encounter had lasted more than 20 minutes. However, when they arrived home, Deborah’s husband seemed unconcerned about what they thought was a late arrival. That’s when they discovered that instead of being after 9:00 p.m., as their wristwatches indicated, it was only 8:35 p.m.

“It was as if the entire time we spent looking at those lights had never happened,” Angie said. “But it did happen, our watches both showed we had been stuck out there for over 20 minutes, but somehow we gained that time back with a few minutes to spare. Normally we should have been home at around ten to nine, but somehow, despite what had happened, we got there early.”

As Time Goes By - UFOs And Time Distortion

Strange thick fog or bizarre mists also seem to be involved in some of the more freaky UFO cases and Professor Michael Swords writes about the subject below quoting files from the Tasmanian UFO Investigation Committee with further info on the 1979 Murchison Highway case:

Suddenly the light was just gone, and the car returned to normal function. Her watch now said 9:29pm despite much more time having elapsed --- it must have stopped during this entire experience, and checking her dashboard clock, it had stopped too. As she was finally getting home, she noticed that her fuel tank was now empty, but her normal trip should have left it half full.

Messing around with engine function, timepieces, gasoline --- nothing is sacred to these space cowboys. But seriously... what constellation of projected force technologies can account for the variety in these cases?

There's also this one from the same area four years later.

Stanley River Road, TAS 1983.

The witness was driving to his home along the western Tasmanian highway [somewhat south of the previous story] when his car was lit up by a bright circle of blue-white lights overhead. The witness decided to stop his car to look, but found that he could not influence the car's motion nor speed in any way. Brakes did not work, and even removing the keys from the ignition had no effect. The car just sped on, and he doesn't remember whether he was doing the steering or not..

When the "driver" finally reached his turn-off, the object immediately sped away, being seen doing so by his wife. With the object gone, the car just stopped. He put the keys back in, and it started right up.He calculated his trip time. His watch indicated that the trip had taken 16 minutes. He should have taken 6 or 7 of those to get to the point where his car was illuminated and he lost control [8 kilometers]. But that meant that the final 25 winding hilly kilometers had been traversed in only 9 or 10 minutes, a physical impossibility in his vehicle. Did his watch stop during the experience and just start back up later? Even if so, why? How does one do that?

UFOs and Force: Plowing Ahead?

[Karl12]

Can't seem to find out more about this one either but apparently on January 14th, 2002 a freight train encountered three strange flying objects near Outpost 41 in Kentucky.

Reports of damage to (and EM effects on) the train and upon arriving at the railroad yard the train crew were met by strange men 'none of them had ever seen before' - they were taken to an office, interrogated for hours and ordered never to speak of the incident.

All trace of train and strange men gone the next day and during the encounter the wristwatch of one of the crew members stopped at 2:47AM and 'still reads the same to this day'.





• THE PAINTSVILLE UFO/TRAIN CRASH - JANUARY 14, 2002 - PAINTSVILLE, KY

In 2002, a train was hauling coal and freight through Paintsville, Ky., on its way to Shelbiana. At exactly 2:47 a.m., strange hovering lights appeared on the tracks ahead of them and the train’s electronics went haywire. Above the nearby river, at least three other hovering crafts seemed to be scanning the water with searchlights. These UFOs were described as metallic with no windows or visible openings. The train’s diesel engines lost power and, unable to stop quickly enough, it struck the UFO closest to the tracks..

15 Times Aliens Definitely Visited Kentucky

[Sirius]

So much good stuff.

Just speed running through it, you can take all the strange effects away and place the subjects alone somewhere to have the encounter.  What would they remember?

Probably nothing that made sense and worth thinking about. You saw a light and felt a bit strange and blame it on lack of sleep, was it even real? There could be millions of these cases  ​​​​​​​

[Sirius]

Ever heard of electrets? Pretty common in small format as a microphone.

Electrets are the class of dielectric material containing quasi-permanent electric charge or molecular dipoles, which can generate internal and external electric fields. They are the electrostatic equivalent of a permanent magnet that can store charges for prolonged time, as long as 100 years, in lots of the cases.

[AlienSun]

This is a great idea for a thread and you've brought lots of evidence.

I am thinking, in some of these cases, is it the watch or the people who are affected? Imagine, if you will, that rather than the watches being stopped, the consciousness perceiving them was somehow sped up or moved into a different timeframe. What would that do to you? Well, external processes, like car engines running, clocks ticking, etc., would appear to slow down or halt. Lights would dim or seem to go dark. You might feel paralyzed, if your body's nervous system suddenly seemed to be running 100x slower than your awareness. And there would be little to no evidence when things returned to normal.

Now some of these accounts don't match that, with evidence of residual magnetic effects, burnt out car parts, etc., but it's interesting to think about.

When you have half a dozen different physical situations around the major aspect, there should be little doubt about the basic event and little need to venture waaay out there to explain the whole situation away.
Total denial about the reality of UFOs is all I've ever heard in my life from science and government. 
Strange is it not, how they are reporting as evidence the exact same type of proofs that the unwary witnesses obtained over the decades and may still suffer from?  Yet still missing are the terrifying side of the ordeal that the witness sometimes went through.  Government and science are not ready to utter a word about that aspects and probably never will since the "capture and study" aspect of the UFO invasion may be over. 
The CIA's MK-Ultra was nothing more than an in-house study of trying to determine how the ETs did those impossible things to people's head.  Forget the failure of electrical devices.

[Karl12]

So much good stuff.

Just speed running through it, you can take all the strange effects away and place the subjects alone somewhere to have the encounter.  What would they remember?

Probably nothing that made sense and worth thinking about. You saw a light and felt a bit strange and blame it on lack of sleep, was it even real? There could be millions of these cases.

Great post mate and yes there could be 'lots'.

If I'm honest I have absolutely no idea what's going on but there are certainly patterns in the data and finding oneself alone 'in a completely dark place' seems to pop up quite a bit - Elsie Oakensen and Gary Wood being just two examples ('abdomen pressure' and 'eye irritation' also seem to be factors).

The Mann family case is completely bonkers and have always been fascinated with the Avis family case as they saw a UFO, drove through a strange mist and experienced some really bizarre after effects (and intimidation).

Crazy stuff!

In a typical scenario, the victim is driving along a deserted road late at night, sees a UFO, momentarily blacks out, regains consciousness a "moment" or so later, then discovers that over an hour or two has mysteriously passed away from his life. Later on investigators may ask the witness to undergo hypnotic regression, during which he "remembers" that his car stalled and alien beings took him onboard the UFO. Many UFO abductees say they were given a medical examination, or a message before being returned to their cars with the command to forget what happened. (1)

AUSTRALIAN ABDUCTIONS: A CATALOGUE OF CASES - Compiled by Keith Basterfield

[UltraBudgie]

Strange is it not, how they are reporting as evidence the exact same type of proofs that the unwary witnesses obtained over the decades and may still suffer from?  Yet still missing are the terrifying side of the ordeal that the witness sometimes went through.  Government and science are not ready to utter a word about that aspects and probably never will since the "capture and study" aspect of the UFO invasion may be over. 

i like to think of that as 'atomized disclosure'. giving some individuals personal experience of at least some of the larger scope of things but in a way that does not connect or conflagrate to the wider public. subjective experience, inexplicable events, psychological and existential terror. it is likely far more widespead than is visible. one can often see it on the faces of experiencers immediately, oh look they've 'been there'. who or what is doing this is unaddressable, as is whether is part of the fundamental or the cover-up, and even whether its done by deliberate action or is part of the fabric of this existence, similar to the way the mandela effect dodges being pinned down, some encounter witnesses seem frustrated sharing their experiences in any significant definitive way, by an imposed inarticulation, misunderstanding, or lack of concrete evidence or referent that seems either like black magic or the universe itself saying 'nope you won't'.

what is weird about these stopped watches is the localization of the field, if we think of it as some kind of field effect halting electricity, gears turning, etc. wouldn't that really mess with human metabolism? how could something be isolated like that? or to specific electrical systems, but not affect neural activity? that makes me think that the 'field' that's being is more at the level of the narrative than the physical. the script of the simulation, to put it in silly matrix terms. which is a level of science (the morphogenesis and instantiation of archetype) that is undiscovered and humbling.

[Sirius]

what is weird about these stopped watches is the localization of the field, if we think of it as some kind of field effect halting electricity, gears turning, etc. wouldn't that really mess with human metabolism? how could something be isolated like that? or to specific electrical systems, but not affect neural activity? that makes me think that the 'field' that's being is more at the level of the narrative than the physical. the script of the simulation, to put it in silly matrix terms. which is a level of science (the morphogenesis and instantiation of archetype) that is undiscovered and humbling.

Right so isolating is pretty easy with phased arrays. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array


https://www.microwavejournal.com/article...-companies

[Karl12]

His book is pretty difficult to get a hold of these days but here's a relevant quote from author Marc Davenport (see bolding).




See 2:30

• 'My hypothesis is that these people who operate these ships - their technology is so advanced that actually figured out a way to artificially warp space-time, the way a black hole does naturally.

And, if that's true it could mean that they could be coming here not only from other planets but from other star systems, other galaxies, other dimensions that coexist with ours, parallel universes, even our own future or our own past.

We have the occupants of these craft are continually telling people - they ask them questions like what time is it, what is time, what is your time, what is age, what is a year and they say 'You are caught in time and we're not - our time is different from yours'.

Time is distorted in the vicinity of these craft and inside these craft - a lot of time people's watches will stop, we have people who say that their voices are distorted when they're near these craft like when they breathe helium or something. So we have all sorts of indications that these things are in some kind of a field that warps space and time."

[UltraBudgie]

His book is pretty difficult to get a hold of these days but here's a relevant quote from author Marc Davenport (see bolding).

Cool.

https://archive.org/details/visitors_fro...3/mode/2up



Well it's 30 years later and we're still waiting Marc. But then again, time is an illusion.