Tulsi Gabbard Calls For Prosecution Of Obama-Era Officials

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Nobody blessed Putin's actions in 2014.  

And nobody "gave" it away. Putin took it with military forces.  

And as a practical matter, the only nation on the planet that could have kicked Russian forces out once they were there was the United States.  

And the only thing we could have done to kick Russia out at the time would have been to invade with a military force large enough to do the job and stay there long enough to get the job done.  

And that would have been a military operation probably as large, dangerous, and costly as Desert Shield/Desert Storm.

And it would have brought US forces directly into battle, killing and being killed by Russian forces.

And it would have been right on the border of Russia, the nation with the largest number of nuclear weapons on the planet.  

Probably a good idea we didn't do that, IMHO.

Naw. Obama gave the thumbs up to Crimea and NATO watched in AWE 

[CriticalStinker]

Compared to what politicians are doing nowadays ... that was nothing.
Pretty sad how far down nearly everyone in politics have slid.

It's a shame, the experiment is starting to fail. 

We're the longest running democracy on earth (republic for those keeping count, a square is still a rectangle). 

I think ultimately, America is soft now. I'm sure many would agree with me on that assessment, but I think I would lose them if I explained my train of thought. 

Ideas didn't used to scare us (omitting some hyper militaristic periods). We could hold two opposing ideas same time, while still adhering to our core values. Now adays, such thought process is viewed as weak, as only bold convictions are held up in the political landscape to be admired. Such a shame too, because the instant you remove the context of politics, people have a strange way of discussing things in a far broader nuance. It's the strangest phenomenon in my opinion, we all have the most access to information than any human before (even with a strong push to impose bias in the technology), and people can talk openly about how they feel on certain issues. The second any of them sense a political tone in the conversation, they approach it completely differently.

That to me is weak. I go to work with a broad range of individuals every work day. We all appreciate where each other are coming from (for the most part), we all look out for each others best interest. The extent we all know one another is remembering the name of all significant others, even if we haven't met. But the second ideology comes into the equation, and you can cut through the tension with a knife. What a fucking shame. 

To me, it's utterly embarrassing free thought is now considered taboo. And I think that is the very reason Watergate is mild compared to what's happening now (all around, not unique to any "group"). It's the societal condition that allows the more forward facing part of our society, the government, to exist in the state that it is. The greater of two evils, and an eye for an eye meet in the form of American Government. And even with the compilation of the last few decades, we are considered the representation of the free world. 

I'm from the south, and there is a phrase that can mean many different things here. Right now, I mean it in the most heartfelt sense of pity. Bless their hearts.

[putnam6]

It's a shame, the experiment is starting to fail. 

We're the longest running democracy on earth (republic for those keeping count, a square is still a rectangle). 

I think ultimately, America is soft now. I'm sure many would agree with me on that assessment, but I think I would lose them if I explained my train of thought. 

Ideas didn't used to scare us (omitting some hyper militaristic periods). We could hold two opposing ideas same time, while still adhering to our core values. Now adays, such thought process is viewed as weak, as only bold convictions are held up in the political landscape to be admired. Such a shame too, because the instant you remove the context of politics, people have a strange way of discussing things in a far broader nuance. It's the strangest phenomenon in my opinion, we all have the most access to information than any human before (even with a strong push to impose bias in the technology), and people can talk openly about how they feel on certain issues. The second any of them sense a political tone in the conversation, they approach it completely differently.

That to me is weak. I go to work with a broad range of individuals every work day. We all appreciate where each other are coming from (for the most part), we all look out for each others best interest. The extent we all know one another is remembering the name of all significant others, even if we haven't met. But the second ideology comes into the equation, and you can cut through the tension with a knife. What a fucking shame. 

To me, it's utterly embarrassing free thought is now considered taboo. And I think that is the very reason Watergate is mild compared to what's happening now (all around, not unique to any "group"). It's the societal condition that allows the more forward facing part of our society, the government, to exist in the state that it is. The greater of two evils, and an eye for an eye meet in the form of American Government. And even with the compilation of the last few decades, we are considered the representation of the free world. 

I'm from the south, and there is a phrase that can mean many different things here. Right now, I mean it in the most heartfelt sense of pity. Bless their hearts.

There's a lot to unpack... but I'll start with 

It's a shame, the experiment is starting to fail. 

A few points to consider: one man's failure is another man's evolution. #1 and #2. If this is your failure point, our government has been failing on this level since the JFK administration. That's when certain( CIA)departments expanded their reach and others solidified their (FBI) control mechanisms, which technically made the MIC's government. 

Beyond that, we have had greedy businessmen and shady politicians, conniving together pretty much all along the way to various degrees, even before Uncle Sam was born we have the East India Company asserting it's influence through out its trade routes 

In theory, to exert so much control, corporations should want to take care of the GP to keep their malfeasance on the down low.

Instead, TPTB have figured out its cheaper to have division, strife, protests, and riots, etc, and have both sides divided, then our politicians and corporations can proceed as they wish.

With most of the population just floating and drifting through thier lives pretty much like most life forms on the planet.

And as for the experiment, it's just fine, but it's more than an experiment now the little zygote Uncle Sam, it's a living entity, our system of government, our PTB, Corporations, and politicians, all encapsulated together in a symbiotic relationship, the general public is just a byproduct a result of the relationship, where individuals and groupings to be grown, molded, shaped used and exploited and the disguarded and culled.

[CriticalStinker]

There's a lot to unpack... but I'll start with 

It's a shame, the experiment is starting to fail. 

A few points to consider: one man's failure is another man's evolution. #1 and #2. If this is your failure point, our government has been failing on this level since the JFK administration. That's when certain( CIA)departments expanded their reach and others solidified their (FBI) control mechanisms, which technically made the MIC's government. 

Beyond that, we have had greedy businessmen and shady politicians, conniving together pretty much all along the way to various degrees, even before Uncle Sam was born we have the East India Company asserting it's influence through out its trade routes 

In theory, to exert so much control, corporations should want to take care of the GP to keep their malfeasance on the down low.

Instead, TPTB have figured out its cheaper to have division, strife, protests, and riots, etc, and have both sides divided, then our politicians and corporations can proceed as they wish.

With most of the population just floating and drifting through thier lives pretty much like most life forms on the planet.

And as for the experiment, it's just fine, but it's more than an experiment now the little zygote Uncle Sam, it's a living entity, our system of government, our PTB, Corporations, and politicians, all encapsulated together in a symbiotic relationship, the general public is just a byproduct a result of the relationship, where individuals and groupings to be grown, molded, shaped used and exploited and the disguarded and culled.

Bold by me, hit the nail on the head.

Can't really fault them, but there is a lot of apathy out there.

Hard for me to judge, I don't have kids raise. If I did, I'm sure I would allocate a lot more time to them, and that would certainly pull from my fondness of current events.

Much to the confusion of many friends, family, and acquaintances, I just find it all really interesting. I always have, ever since I was a young teen. I've even made a pretty penny on being able to read some of it through investing, which I wouldn't recommend for all who like to follow the news. There's a difference between putting money on what you think happens, and what you hope to happen... Something I'm reminded on through every administration.

[putnam6]

Bold by me, hit the nail on the head.

Can't really fault them, but there is a lot of apathy out there.

Hard for me to judge, I don't have kids raise. If I did, I'm sure I would allocate a lot more time to them, and that would certainly pull from my fondness of current events.

Much to the confusion of many friends, family, and acquaintances, I just find it all really interesting. I always have, ever since I was a young teen. I've even made a pretty penny on being able to read some of it through investing, which I wouldn't recommend for all who like to follow the news. There's a difference between putting money on what you think happens, and what you hope to happen... Something I'm reminded on through every administration.

Most people have had periods where they are plugged in more than normal. I know I have been.

Never had the disposable income to invest, and now Im paying for it. 

But Im not alone... many still live paycheck to paycheck

[CriticalStinker]

Most people have had periods where they are plugged in more than normal. I know I have been.

Never had the disposable income to invest, and now Im paying for it. 

But Im not alone... many still live paycheck to paycheck

When we switched to FIAT currency, there was a logic behind it. Honestly, it wouldn't sound too farfetched today if it had to be pitched.

Ultimately, instead of being backed by gold, we decided our currency would be backed by the trust in the US government and economy. The new monetary system also came with a strategy of 2% targeted inflation each year. The idea behind it is that it would make people balance differently for saving and investing. If your money is worth 2% less each year, than we should invest more than we save to try and counter that. 

The problem is, with the power to have a targeted inflation, comes the ability to have a higher inflation. And as Ron Paul aptly pointed out, inflation is a hidden tax. 

I've lived paycheck to paycheck before, it sucks, and I haven't forgotten that. I guess I just differ from many in my belief that is a problem by both sides. And honestly, that is more of a transgression to me than the political lawfare both sides engage in. Don't get me wrong, it's an incredibly alarming idea that people in the government would use politics to go after one another. There is the question of how that bodes with the constitution and our idea on democracy. Not something to be shrugged off. 

I remember when we used to talk about entitlements being a higher expenditure than defense. And to be fair, I think there is a good deal of waste there, so I'm not saying the debate doesn't have merit. But interest payments are currently the third largest expenditure, and will likely be number one in the next 5-10 years (maybe sooner).


Unfortunately friend, much harder times are likely ahead. And that's not because of one person or group, but rather the apathy we talked about. I'm sure everyone around here is aware that while many of us enjoy a 3-5% increase in pay each year, that often doesn't match inflation. So you can try and hedge, but it doesn't always work out. AI is basically weighting the US market right now, NVIDIA is the highest valued company in the world at around 4t~ market cap. Anyone who lived through the dotcom bubble should appreciate the possibility here for another bubble. 

Couple that with a precarious situation in the government, and we could see a setback that could take years to decades to bounce back from. These aren't crackpot theories or predictions, they're the very talking points that have existed for several decades driving US politics. Only problem is, few to none have even tried to address it.

[putnam6]

When we switched to FIAT currency, there was a logic behind it. Honestly, it wouldn't sound too farfetched today if it had to be pitched.

Ultimately, instead of being backed by gold, we decided our currency would be backed by the trust in the US government and economy. The new monetary system also came with a strategy of 2% targeted inflation each year. The idea behind it is that it would make people balance differently for saving and investing. If your money is worth 2% less each year, than we should invest more than we save to try and counter that. 

The problem is, with the power to have a targeted inflation, comes the ability to have a higher inflation. And as Ron Paul aptly pointed out, inflation is a hidden tax. 

I've lived paycheck to paycheck before, it sucks, and I haven't forgotten that. I guess I just differ from many in my belief that is a problem by both sides. And honestly, that is more of a transgression to me than the political lawfare both sides engage in. Don't get me wrong, it's an incredibly alarming idea that people in the government would use politics to go after one another. There is the question of how that bodes with the constitution and our idea on democracy. Not something to be shrugged off. 

I remember when we used to talk about entitlements being a higher expenditure than defense. And to be fair, I think there is a good deal of waste there, so I'm not saying the debate doesn't have merit. But interest payments are currently the third largest expenditure, and will likely be number one in the next 5-10 years (maybe sooner).
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Unfortunately friend, much harder times are likely ahead. And that's not because of one person or group, but rather the apathy we talked about. I'm sure everyone around here is aware that while many of us enjoy a 3-5% increase in pay each year, that often doesn't match inflation. So you can try and hedge, but it doesn't always work out. AI is basically weighting the US market right now, NVIDIA is the highest valued company in the world at around 4t~ market cap. Anyone who lived through the dotcom bubble should appreciate the possibility here for another bubble. 

Couple that with a precarious situation in the government, and we could see a setback that could take years to decades to bounce back from. These aren't crackpot theories or predictions, they're the very talking points that have existed for several decades driving US politics. Only problem is, few to none have even tried to address it.

I don't doubt your knowledge or experience, and I've always been a Ron Paul fan. 

TPTB have kicked the financial debt "can" down the street for decades, and all I'm asking for is a few more years. 

All I can control is my situation, regardless of the economy or which President is trying to rig elections.

So I try and remain optimistic, Ive been broke before.

[SomeStupidName]

I don't doubt your knowledge or experience, and I've always been a Ron Paul fan. 

TPTB have kicked the financial debt "can" down the street for decades, and all I'm asking for is a few more years. 

All I can control is my situation, regardless of the economy or which President is trying to rig elections.

So I try and remain optimistic, Ive been broke before.

Even with kicking the can down the road it will make it easier to pay back at a lower interest rate so making it to that point I feel is critical as well. 
It's nice to see the truth of the Russian collusion hoax and it being directed and orchestrated by rouge elements of the government in an effort to affect the outcome of an election and then used as attempt at a soft or bloodless coup is finally reaching the light of day. My concern is that it will just be swept under the rug as usual and no one will be held accountable and people will still claim it wasn't exactly what it was.

[RichardHurt]

Even with kicking the can down the road it will make it easier to pay back at a lower interest rate so making it to that point I feel is critical as well. 
It's nice to see the truth of the Russian collusion hoax and it being directed and orchestrated by rouge elements of the government in an effort to affect the outcome of an election and then used as attempt at a soft or bloodless coup is finally reaching the light of day. My concern is that it will just be swept under the rug as usual and no one will be held accountable and people will still claim it wasn't exactly what it was.

One would think that the min spent that we can gather (btw is $6.8 million) on investigating this already would have uncovered something. But the MAGA bot people will still press the president to focus on this nothing burger. We have a country that is about to be hit super hard if he doesn't stay focused.
You speak of fiscal responsibility but don't seem to understand what that means.

[SomeStupidName]

One would think that the min spent that we can gather (btw is $6.8 million) on investigating this already would have uncovered something. But the MAGA bot people will still press the president to focus on this nothing burger. We have a country that is about to be hit super hard if he doesn't stay focused.
You speak of fiscal responsibility but don't seem to understand what that means.

You're right no one would waste 6.8 million tax dollars on dog and pony show. That's stupid who would believe that.

https://doge.gov/savings