Trying to resolve 9/11

[Kwaka]

The one moment that kicked me hard

[Kwaka]

The one moment that made sense




The one moment in trying to deal with it

Trying to resolve 9/11

For a take for where I am with it these days, it helps explain how people like Biden get into power. Julian Assange, Frazzledrip, Pizzagate and Jeffery Epstein are all aspects to consider when down this rabbit hole. If it gets too dark, Jesus helps find some way out of this madness.

How do you resolve these issues?

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

For a take for where I am with it these days, it helps explain how people like Biden get into power. Julian Assange, Frazzledrip, Pizzagate and Jeffery Epstein are all aspects to consider when down this rabbit hole. If it gets too dark, Jesus helps find some way out of this madness.

How do you resolve these issues?

I don't pay attention to things like; 9/11 conspiracies, Julian Assange, Frazzledrip, Pizzagate and Jeffery Epstein.  

I have never even never-ever heard of Frazzledrip. Sounds like something future Starbucks would offer. 



Plus all this "cabal of pedo elites" thing is kinda "minister that gets caught in a park bathroom". It comes off more imagined by mass projection.  

So the answer is: I FIND IT EXTREMEMLY FUNNY. Oprah as a Darkside villain. And then I imagine the scene where the child she orders arrives. 

"Ms. Winfrey your live suburban child has arrived, and your wife is on the phone." 

"The child, is it white and protestant?" 

"Yes, Hallowed One" 

"Gooood. Have his head shaved and scared a little, then proceed to the live gland extraction, because I have a benefit tonight, and I have wrinkles showing."

[Kwaka]

Plus all this "cabal of pedo elites" thing is kinda "minister that gets caught in a park bathroom". It comes off more imagined by mass projection. 

When coming to terms that the buildings where blown up and the government covered it up, the next question is how could something like this happen? Just what exactly is going on within the culture of American politics to not just pull off, but also cover up a crime like 9/11?

Pentagon declined to investigate hundreds of purchases of child pornography

This story that fitted one piece to the puzzle as just what kind of culture was lurking in the background. Not everyone was involved, more than a few odd cases though. Enough for an organized network to share and protect each other.

Getting deeper into it and blackmail helps build trust when everyone has millions and money is not as effective. It does provide leverage to get people to do what you want. The Epstein honey pot is nothing new, J Edgar Hoover had lots of it, George Soros uses it with his win at all costs approach. When people like Jimmy Savile get a knighthood, the Monarchy has gone down a dark path as well.

When getting into events like Bohemian Grove, lot of rich and powerful into a lot of weird and kinky stuff. Becomes a national security issue so all gets covered in a censorship blanket. Some reports that a faction in the 5 eyes have been / still are running some kind of black mail / black market thing.

When it comes to how people like George Bush's uncle got to rule over any case involving the 9/11 topic and dismissing with prejudice, having networks like this helps. Then also got how NIST fired anyone looking at any theory other than the official version of events. The head of the NIST team looking at the building collapse got a multimillion dollar payout.

Money does help motivate people, but when having to go over the line, having a bit more motivation helps as well. It is just how parts of this world works. Not making a deal with the devil is one way to avoid falling into these kinds of traps.

[Kwaka]

I just came across a good archive of all the media at the time:

archive.org/details/911

All the TV stations here in Australia played it non stop for 3 days straight. I did not move off the couch, few hours sleep here and there. There where a few moments in the live streams when I did question what is really going on here. It got washed away with the consistent propaganda until 2008 when I had some time to review the matter. How much of a hard time the widows of the 9/11 victims where getting was something is not right. When I saw WTC7 fall, I did not want to believe it, I heard the stories, I thought they where nut jobs. I had to reset everything I once thought as true.

It has been a hard journey into the depths of humanity. Not easy finding peace with the evil that lurks in us all. I understand it has a place to expose our weakness and makes us stronger. We would not have our capable and resilient bodies without it.

If someone is still stuck in that wreakage or too young to see it happen, take some time out, get comfortable and see the day that changed the world.

[Maxmars]

I appreciate that even people living in other countries were perplexed and still question the event.

The media strategy of flooding the airwaves with non-stop imagery of the towers being struck by airplanes and subsequently collapsing like something out of an apocalyptic vision were very persuasive, for some more than others, and differently for many...  The industry fell into lockstep with the government, and it hasn't ever returned to what it had been... instead the 'analysis' of the event repeatedly fails to address the whole event, only the imagery.  What possibly could have been the "purpose" for that psychologically damaging decision?  What did it serve?  Certainly not the public, certainly not the advertisers... so then, why?

Something was openly changed, and no one likes to revisit the story... unless it's under the lens of the media and it's productions.

Media is not history.  Media is a production, planned, directed, and produced.  That is NOT history.  But the American population was so inured, so conditioned, to 'take for granted' that media coverage was "honestly devoid of propaganda," that they began to believe if the media says "Americans knows," or "Americans believes," it had to be true.  That change hasn't stopped manifesting itself since.

Would you like to know when many people actually had a moment of internal pause?  It was when the very next official utterance from the President of the United States included the advice "If you want to help the country, go shopping." 

Most members of the conspiracy community were already questioning the whole "who did this" matter... many doubted the 'simplicity' of the picture the media was pounding into the public... the tale the spread culminated in "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."  It was only comedians who started the observations about what the hell that had to do with 9/11.  Anyone else who brought that question to the forefront was immediately likened to a "conspiracy theorist" followed by a chortle, a chuckle, and imagery of pasty people living in their mom's basement, and wearing a tin-foil hat.

The truth is still there to be found.  If there's one thing that has made itself clear is that you cannot hide what you do for long.  We will know the important answers eventually.  Just as in the COVID event, the establishment pimps and pawns, thought that if they tell you what to believe... you obviously will believe it. At least, that what they will report... that "everybody believes [fill in the blank.]" and that's how it will go down in their history books... because history is no longer a sacred trust... it's a "tool" of expedience.

But that is not how reality works.  Cabals and "movements" people are you listening?  When will you learn?  Yeah, you can screw everyone for what you believe for a time... for a time... when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall.  It always has, it always will.

The specifics of 9/11 are a painful topic for me personally.  And we could lose ourselves in the painful minutiae of how it went down.  But the damage we did to ourselves in the aftermath must be included... because analyzing causes is pointless if we don't analyze effects, intended and otherwise.

[Antigon]

I appreciate that even people living in other countries were perplexed and still question the event.

The media strategy of flooding the airwaves with non-stop imagery of the towers being struck by airplanes and subsequently collapsing like something out of an apocalyptic vision were very persuasive, for some more than others, and differently for many...  The industry fell into lockstep with the government, and it hasn't ever returned to what it had been... instead the 'analysis' of the event repeatedly fails to address the whole event, only the imagery.  What possibly could have been the "purpose" for that psychologically damaging decision?  What did it serve?  Certainly not the public, certainly not the advertisers... so then, why?

Something was openly changed, and no one likes to revisit the story... unless it's under the lens of the media and it's productions.

Media is not history.  Media is a production, planned, directed, and produced.  That is NOT history.  But the American population was so inured, so conditioned, to 'take for granted' that media coverage was "honestly devoid of propaganda," that they began to believe if the media says "Americans knows," or "Americans believes," it had to be true.  That change hasn't stopped manifesting itself since.

Would you like to know when many people actually had a moment of internal pause?  It was when the very next official utterance from the President of the United States included the advice "If you want to help the country, go shopping." 

Most members of the conspiracy community were already questioning the whole "who did this" matter... many doubted the 'simplicity' of the picture the media was pounding into the public... the tale the spread culminated in "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."  It was only comedians who started the observations about what the hell that had to do with 9/11.  Anyone else who brought that question to the forefront was immediately likened to a "conspiracy theorist" followed by a chortle, a chuckle, and imagery of pasty people living in their mom's basement, and wearing a tin-foil hat.

The truth is still there to be found.  If there's one thing that has made itself clear is that you cannot hide what you do for long.  We will know the important answers eventually.  Just as in the COVID event, the establishment pimps and pawns, thought that if they tell you what to believe... you obviously will believe it. At least, that what they will report... that "everybody believes [fill in the blank.]" and that's how it will go down in their history books... because history is no longer a sacred trust... it's a "tool" of expedience.

But that is not how reality works.  Cabals and "movements" people are you listening?  When will you learn?  Yeah, you can screw everyone for what you believe for a time... for a time... when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall.  It always has, it always will.

The specifics of 9/11 are a painful topic for me personally.  And we could lose ourselves in the painful minutiae of how it went down.  But the damage we did to ourselves in the aftermath must be included... because analyzing causes is pointless if we don't analyze effects, intended and otherwise.

The aftermath of 9/11 was an unofficial coup d'etat where many freedoms and liberties erased by the deep state that created the conditions for the attacks in the first place.

Problem-reaction-solution.

[Notably0ffbeat]

9/11 for me was a bunch of people in power covering up theft, then everyone that agreed put in their pet perk and all agreed that it would benefit everyone.

The govt got reason for wars and increased control, evidence of the theft of millions disappeared, the owners of the building got a new building. And the American public got a tragedy to rally behind.

Everyone wins, except the souls that were lost and the ones they touched. Oh, and those living under the decreased freedoms.

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[Kwaka]

I recently got myself banned on ATS on this topic. The mod done a fair call dealing with my drunken rage at the time. I would of liked to see the response before the ban hammer fell. Have a 5 year war over the situation. Went through many areas of the 9/11. It helped clear up some events, still a strong fog of war on others.

I asked for getting banned that night. I do like the standard of discourse that the ATS aims for. Calling out a mod never works well. I accepted that before hitting the post button. One issue I was having that night was sorting out how to resolve 9/11 and the personal issues this has with censorship.

There where a few points I wanted to get across. Maybe some where crossing lines, maybe some where too on point to consider? To help in navigating this gray zone I will redraft some of these points in their own post.  If I do cross some line, mods can delete that point without killing it all.

[Kwaka]

One point I was trying to make was around the nature of war and how 9/11 pivots this landscape. One image of Vietnam that changed the tide of public support was this one:



Now this image from Palestine, not as acute traumatic with napalm burns, but still strongly traumatic as a child carries her younger sister as the rest of her family is dead.



This is the real world reality of war. In coming to terms with the nature of war, including events like 9/11, this is one piece of the puzzle to consider.