Trump and Epstein were great buddies

[cherokeetroy]

For those of you who still believe "Trump has it all" and you're waiting for the "hammer to drop" on anything...

Keep waiting 
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[cherokeetroy]

Depends on what your definition of bugshit is...

Trump's administration thinks too much press coverage is bugshit

Cover has been happening for over a decade FWIW, not sure that Vance wanting to discuss strategy privately on a possible release is classified as a cover-up. 

So no, I don't think a cover-up will spark overt protests.

You support concealing evidence over transparency because transparency will cause people to go bugshit?

[DBCowboy]

I love how everyone on the left has determined Trump guilty of pedo without any evidence yet.

Does this (to the left) justify killing him?

Just asking

[putnam6]

You support concealing evidence over transparency because transparency will cause people to go bugshit?

It seems we've entered a complex discussion.

I genuinely support any initiatives that can contribute to healing our country.

If there is evidence of wrongdoing by Trump, particularly involving those under 18, I believe it should be presented.

It raises questions as to why such information wasn't utilized during the two Democratic presidencies. This could suggest a variety of scenarios: perhaps they believed it was better to keep the details under wraps, or the evidence may not meet the threshold for criminality, or there could be concerns about implicating others.

At this stage, it's worth considering that there may be no clear evidence of criminal conduct. It's concerning to think about the implications of procedural errors preventing prosecutions. I approach the evolving narratives surrounding the Epstein situation with caution. It seems implausible that anyone would sit on significant information for over a decade, especially given the attention surrounding Stormy Daniels' story.

If they indeed had compelling evidence, it's reasonable to question why it wasn't leveraged sooner. Perhaps they believed Trump’s chances were limited until more recent events shifted the political landscape.

What may appear solid to the general public can often be challenged in a legal context. While it's a possibility to consider, it remains on par with many other theories that have been discussed extensively.

If evidence existed, it seems logical to argue that it should have been presented. Additionally, one must wonder about Wexner's involvement in acquiring Obama's home, which resulted in a substantial financial gain for the Obamas. This situation raises a variety of suspicions and interpretations, and naturally, I would share similar sentiments if Wexner were to purchase something affiliated with Trump as well. This certainly invites a healthy level of skepticism.

[putnam6]

I love how everyone on the left has determined Trump guilty of pedo without any evidence yet.

Does this (to the left) justify killing him?

Just asking

[cherokeetroy]

It seems we've entered a complex discussion.

I genuinely support any initiatives that can contribute to healing our country.

If there is evidence of wrongdoing by Trump, particularly involving those under 18, I believe it should be presented.

It raises questions as to why such information wasn't utilized during the two Democratic presidencies. This could suggest a variety of scenarios: perhaps they believed it was better to keep the details under wraps, or the evidence may not meet the threshold for criminality, or there could be concerns about implicating others.

At this stage, it's worth considering that there may be no clear evidence of criminal conduct. It's concerning to think about the implications of procedural errors preventing prosecutions. I approach the evolving narratives surrounding the Epstein situation with caution. It seems implausible that anyone would sit on significant information for over a decade, especially given the attention surrounding Stormy Daniels' story.

If they indeed had compelling evidence, it's reasonable to question why it wasn't leveraged sooner. Perhaps they believed Trump’s chances were limited until more recent events shifted the political landscape.

What may appear solid to the general public can often be challenged in a legal context. While it's a possibility to consider, it remains on par with many other theories that have been discussed extensively.

If evidence existed, it seems logical to argue that it should have been presented. Additionally, one must wonder about Wexner's involvement in acquiring Obama's home, which resulted in a substantial financial gain for the Obamas. This situation raises a variety of suspicions and interpretations, and naturally, I would share similar sentiments if Wexner were to purchase something affiliated with Trump as well. This certainly invites a healthy level of skepticism.

It's been stated multiple times that high level Democrats and donors are suspected or implicated of involvement in human trafficking and/or rape

When the Democrats were in power, they prevailed in lying and gaslighting

Epstein related information was only mentioned to dismiss it as a Qanon conspiracy theory 

When Hunter's laptop surfaced, they deflected. They did the same thing with Anthony Weiner's laptop. Ashley Biden. Clinton Foundation. Everything was deflected 

I would argue that sex trafficking and/or crimes are extremely common in the upper echelons of society

Check out this current case on the Alexander brothers. They sold real estate to Epstein crony, Leon Black and Ivanka Trump

Their circles run small

Trump is positioned to provide transparency to the American people

He keeps repeating the Epstein case is "total bullshit" and a Democrat perpetrated "hoax" 

 If this is true, he's obligated to do something. Prove it 

 One way or another, Trump is obligated to act

Continuing calling it "bullshit" and expecting the world to simply drop it is straight up lunacy

This issue is going to keep festering, overshadowing his day to day operations until he finally decides to face it

[Maxmars]

I hesitate to add...

I can't help but thinks thhis feels like a "Mutually Assured Destruction" Scenario...

that does seem to be a plausible reason for the ridiculous games... Someone in that crowd is about to 
cringe and offer facts in exchange for the magic lawyers do... immunity.

The 'suspects' are pretty much royalty...even of they aren't bloodline royals.  After the lawyers are done, even the accusations will be a criminal thing to discuss...

and what can we charge these people with....???

It goes something like this....




Will they fall upon each other (and themselves) to at least serve the pretense of "we never knew?"
Will they craft new narratives about how "they didn't really understand" what was happening?
How many will say... "It was only business... the bad stuff happens at the after party"?
Or maybe... just maybe... they create a sacrificial offering... to some effigy or other... and all will be well.

The biggest problem with  justice is that it has to do with people.

[TheValeyard]

Do you have better evidence? 

I ask since Epstein was tossed out of Trumps golf club when he found out that Jeffery liked underaged girls and also was involved in the first criminal case against Jeffery as well as tossing Jeffery's butt in jail where he died. 

With buddies like that who needs enemies. 

Also this notion that Epstein was a Mossad agent needs to have some evidence brought forward. As it is right now it seems that Epstein might have been a tool of Maxwell and/or some unknown group or individuals. 
 

***Below is all my personal opinions based on known facts and digested by me***

If I was asked, I would say that Epstein was nothing more than a middle man for some unnamed cult that used high profile people and allowed access for these types of people while involving himself in some global level conspiracy. My evidence goes back to all the bio research that he was involved in providing funds to (both legal funds as well as directing suspect funds into). Then there is all the child sex crappos he had, the cult styled artwork, the soul cooking garbage, and the groups of people he had and the image of a global scaled cult filled with high level drug addicts, pedophiles, and other hedonistic personalities sure seems like precuring people for sex was nothing but the tip of this iceberg.

As for this murder/suicide question, I bet he died by autoerotic-asphyxiation while masturbating in his cell. That would explain why the Feds don't want to discuss the topic much. After all Jeffery was a known chronic masturbator, that fact was brought up in court a few times.

Man, sorry, but you Trump supporters are in denial. It's painful to watch.

[guyfriday]

Man, sorry, but you Trump supporters are in denial. It's painful to watch.

Which part? I mean if you disagree with me that's fine but could you say why or at least say in my opinion or the facts that you disagree with?

[Kurokage]

I've seen a few comments now from members saying 'to those on left bla bla bla'
You all still seem caught on the party politics line, and not the fact that Trump has done everything to try to make this go away (including calling MAGA dumb) after claiming he'd release the  Epstein files to win votes.

He had a proven 15 year friendship with Epstein (but later said he hardly knew the guy?), regularly used the Lolita express, made countless predatory comments about young girls, dozens of testimonies about his lewd and nasty behaviour with young girls and women, it was proven in court he was a rapist. He has now moved Maxwell to a low security prison, in his attempt at a slow motion pardon.

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck!
Or how about Occams Razor?
The simplest explanation is usually preferred

And now this??
https://globalnews.ca/news/11320300/didd...mp-pardon/

 
Sean “Diddy” Combs‘ lawyer says they’ve reached out to U.S. President Donald Trump seeking a pardon following the rapper’s conviction on two counts of a prostitution-related offence.
[Image: https://d21y75miwcfqoq.cloudfront.net/70c8fc80]A source close to Combs’ legal team confirmed to NBC News that they had been in contact with the Trump administration.
This comes after Nicole Westmoreland, a member of Combs’ defence team, told CNN in an exclusive interview earlier this week that the music mogul’s team had reached out to Trump for a potential pardon.
“It’s my understanding that we’ve reached out and had conversations in reference to a pardon,” Westmoreland told the outlet.
Westmoreland added that Combs “is a very hopeful person and I believe that he remains hopeful” about the request.