Trump and Epstein were great buddies

[WallFlowerActive]

There is plenty of public evidence that strongly disputed that. 

And there was plenty of public evidence supposedly for Trump Russian Collusion, Pizza Gate, and Hillary drinks the blood of babies.

One thing about ATS that bothered me with all the crazy things about politicians being alien lizards with human on the menu was how hard ATS came down on Pizza Gate threads.  Unless I missed something?  Maybe the business in question had grounds to sue for slander not being public like a politician?  I would think the same with anyone on a Epstein list with no other evidence if such a list was released.

[UltraBudgie]

And there was plenty of public evidence supposedly for Trump Russian Collusion, Pizza Gate, and Hillary drinks the blood of babies.

One thing about ATS that bothered me with all the crazy things about politicians being alien lizards with human on the menu was how hard ATS came down on Pizza Gate threads.  Unless I missed something?  Maybe the business in question had grounds to sue for slander not being public like a politician?  I would think the same with anyone on a Epstein list with no other evidence if such a list was released.

yeah remember when ben swann got fired for this?

[CriticalStinker]

And there was plenty of public evidence supposedly for Trump Russian Collusion, Pizza Gate, and Hillary drinks the blood of babies.

One thing about ATS that bothered me with all the crazy things about politicians being alien lizards with human on the menu was how hard ATS came down on Pizza Gate threads.  Unless I missed something?  Maybe the business in question had grounds to sue for slander not being public like a politician?  I would think the same with anyone on a Epstein list with no other evidence if such a list was released.

Russiagate certainly wasn’t widely agreed on, pizzagate was essentially a proxy of Epstein…

But the difference with Epstein is the amount of public information such as testimony that corroborated with the evidence.

Prince Andrew is probably the best example.

That said, and I’m no lawyer, but there are laws for engaging in prostitution you can be charged with. Trafficking is typically when multiple people are involved. 

As far as “the list”, I feel like they’re playing semantics as if there’s some entry in Epstein’s diary labeled blackmail. I think a list could be created using flight logs, CCTV and other evidence considering there was recordings everywhere.

The Attorney General, deputy director and director of the FBI all spoke in no uncertain terms that there was a list and other actors prior to Monday. You could play devils advocate and say they didn’t have access to that information until now, but there have been plenty of instances where people in a position of power did have access to it, and spoke in the same terms.

For instance, the vindication for Trump came from a lawyer who examined all the files and told us that Trump was not on the list. 

The only reason I brought up ATS is because most of use are refugees from there. And it was one of the few conspiracies we had near total consensus on about the gravity and scope of (only arguing on individual names). It’s also one of the only conspiracies widely accepted by “normal society” that you can talk on without looking like a lunatic.

It’s a weird hill to try and die on, IMO. I don’t think there’s any question elites were engaged in his depravity. If someone is trying to talk it down due to political alignments, my suggestion would just be don’t talk on the issue. Luckily for the elites, the ruling is final and this is slated to be memory holed. There’s going to be plenty of happenings between now and any major elections, so I sadly doubt this will tip any scales.

But make no mistake, if they’re willing to cover up their ilk for this, they won’t think twice to lie to your face on other matters of corruption. This is as bad as it gets, and I’m shocked people are just willing to adopt the new narrative out of partisanship.

[putnam6]

She got charged with sex trafficking.

Before Monday, a vast majority of people who are familiar with this case would say with confidence there were many other people involved. Hell, Bongani, Kash, Bondi and others in the admin would speak in those terms.

But, the donor class and politicians won this one.

They can say there was no one else until they are blue in the face. It doesn’t change what is true. There is plenty of public evidence that strongly disputed that. 

Years of ATS threads have me shocked so many are willing to just let this go and move on.

As always, Critical Stinker has well-thought-out and wise words that get to the heart of the matter...

NGL Ive heard so many theories it's become tiresome but ....

regrettably and respectfully if you can indulge a few Animal House references 



Wormer ...err Trump dropped the big one... 

There are only 4-5 possible scenarios, all have plausibility, and all have problems, where none of them stand out.

X.com has some sharp comments. My first realization is that we do indeed have something behind the scenes, full-blown blown unadulterated manipulation going on. With diminishing legitimate reasons for doing so.

Im open to most opinions if they can run the gauntlet of legit questions most opinions bring

Some include a supposed military tribunal because, as a foreign spy like Epstein, if it's of a national security sensitive nature, a secret military tribunal would have been the only recourse. Everything else is complete subterfuge, which leaves 2 options: he was convicted secretly doubtful or he was plea bargained and or released, and TPTB are using evidence to form cases of persons of thier choosing, more likely.  

to it's all a distraction


jay plemons

@jayplemons
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 Epstein Files: Trump, Patel, Bongino, & Bondi are winking HARD, hiding explosive truths too dark for the public.
@ScottAdamsSays
: I believe all of my questions have been answered.
Are they lying? Of course they are
Did Epstein work with Israel and the U.S.? Of course he did
Was he blackmailing anybody? Of course he was
Are there files that would tell you what's really going on? Of course there are
Have we been told everything about what's going on there? Of course we haven't

[quintessentone]

Food for thought: Alex Jones, InfoWars, is positing that Trump is keeping 'the list-no list' so as to use it to blackmail people to do his bidding. It doesn't get any more conspiracy theory than that IMO.

[WallFlowerActive]

It’s a weird hill to try and die on, IMO. 

I think it was more exaggerating by people in the administration for attention.  The slander laws for public figures is too weak.  I think they took a playbook from Adam Schiff that kept making false accusations against Trump.  The Epstein thing ran its corse, and now isn’t a convent political tool, it’s being retooled.


I think Trump is the lesser of two evils.  But he still is a politician that can basically slander other politicians without consequences.  The system of accountability needs to change.  Or the Schiff’s and Bondi’s of the world are going to keep playing the game for political points when it’s convenient.


shrugs.

[putnam6]

I think it was more exaggerating by people in the administration for attention.  The slander laws for public figures is too weak.  I think they took a playbook from Adam Schiff that kept making false accusations against Trump.  The Epstein thing ran its corse, and now isn’t a convent political tool, it’s being retooled.


I think Trump is the lesser of two evils.  But he still is a politician that can basically slander other politicians without consequences.  The system of accountability needs to change.  Or the Schiff’s and Bondi’s of the world are going to keep playing the game for political points when it’s convenient.


shrugs.

It's a plausible theory for damn sure ...

[WallFlowerActive]

It's a plausible theory for damn sure ...

It’s sad the Epstein victims never got their justice.  But what is the truth in a system where politicians can slander each other with no consequences and are often politically rewarded.

[CriticalStinker]

I think it was more exaggerating by people in the administration for attention.  The slander laws for public figures is too weak.  I think they took a playbook from Adam Schiff that kept making false accusations against Trump.  The Epstein thing ran its corse, and now isn’t a convent political tool, it’s being retooled.


I think Trump is the lesser of two evils.  But he still is a politician that can basically slander other politicians without consequences.  The system of accountability needs to change.  Or the Schiff’s and Bondi’s of the world are going to keep playing the game for political points when it’s convenient.


shrugs.

Trafficking charges aren’t easy to prosecute, just look at Diddy.

I have a hard time believing with all the public evidence, and the conviction that others weren’t involved. It has been basically public knowledge, and one of the few issues both sides of voters agreed on (albeit the politics left avoided the issue like the plague).

As I said earlier, one of the few disagreements in discourse was bout the specific names, not that there were names.

To me, it’s pure gaslighting that suddenly there was no list, no other involvement, and case closed.

You have to remember, he got charged for similar crimes around 08’, and the elites and politicians still hung out with him afterwards. Even if we pretended all of the evidence was nothing, they were at the very least complicit in his “public rehabilitation”, and enabled the behavior. But even then, it’s pretty obvious Prince Andrew engaged in acts… so it’s not like Epstein didn’t share his behavior with others.

If this is what people choose to trust the Government on, we’re absolutely doomed and cooked. If they can lie about this, they can sell our country out from under us even more blatantly than they have. Terrifying.

[putnam6]

It’s sad the Epstein victims never got their justice.  But what is the truth in a system where politicians can slander each other with no consequences and are often politically rewarded.

The slippery slope we currently find ourselves on was forecasted accurately years ago... It's why you don't impeach unless you have significant malfeasance and solid bipartisan support, from Bill's cigar humidor to Trump's Ukrainian adventure. Hell, didn't the Senate somewhat agonize over the rightful impeaching of Nixon