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(07-25-2025, 09:54 PM)Vermilion Wrote: “The department offered Ms. Maxwell conditional immunity to discuss the case, but the protection did not apply if she lied in her interviews.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/25/us/po...ardon.html

Anybody with an expensive lawyer would have that guarantee.
She lied, just like she did in her trial.
Who wouldn’t in her position?
If she had anything substantive, she would have spilled it long ago when she had a sliver of credibility, yet she did not.

You're contradicting yourself, again, when you say Maxwell lied but then claim if she had any incriminating evidence, she would have spilled a long time ago.  

If she's a liar, why would she spill the truth? 

It's just like when you say the victims were legal aged willing participants, then you call Epstein a "pedo". 

What happened to Tulsi's "bombshells and receipts"?
Wonder what the narrative will be if she’s pardoned soon without charges on others.
(07-25-2025, 10:39 PM)cherokeetroy Wrote: You're contradicting yourself, again, when you say Maxwell lied but then claim if she had any incriminating evidence, she would have spilled a long time ago.  

If she's a liar, why would she spill the truth? 

It's just like when you say the victims were legal aged willing participants, then you call Epstein a "pedo". 

What happened to Tulsi's "bombshells and receipts"?


If Maxwell wasn’t a liar and had evidence of others wrongdoings she would have told the authorities.
She didn’t.
She lied and was caught lying.
Maxwell is a proven liar.
They had her for two counts of perjury.
She can’t be trusted.
She is as believable as Michael Cohen at this point.

There were plenty of willing and unwilling adult victims in addition to willing and unwilling minors.
He was a pedo and he got what pedos deserve.
(07-25-2025, 11:27 PM)CriticalStinker Wrote: Wonder what the narrative will be if she’s pardoned soon without charges on others.



It’s kind of a no win for Trump politically no matter what happens.
There are degrees of damage though.
The media is in the left’s pocket and as you can see from the coverage of this, it’s always orange man bad.
Small potatoes in the grand scheme of things really.
They can put Epstein on the front pages for the next 3 1/2 years, it’s not going to stop the daily winning.
(07-25-2025, 11:40 PM)Vermilion Wrote: It’s kind of a no win for Trump politically no matter what happens.
There are degrees of damage though.
The media is in the left’s pocket and as you can see from the coverage of this, it’s always orange man bad.
Small potatoes in the grand scheme of things really.
They can put Epstein on the front pages for the next 3 1/2 years, it’s not going to stop the daily winning.

the landscape of mainstream media has drastically changed.

Most people don’t watch cable news, frankly, it’s only the older generation. 

Trump won a small majority in popular vote. He also went on podcasts that had far more viewers than traditional media gets. I know what you’re saying, I just disagree. I don’t think there’s a “strong bias” against Trump from the broader media.

It’s one of the reasons I don’t view him as anti establishment anymore. 

A lot of popular media is behind him, he had a backed bigger than Soros. Who’s in jail? What changes in the institution do we have now to protect from future predators?

It’s a joke. In four years, we’ll have the exact same problems as now.
(07-26-2025, 12:00 AM)CriticalStinker Wrote: the landscape of mainstream media has drastically changed.

Most people don’t watch cable news, frankly, it’s only the older generation. 

Trump won a small majority in popular vote. He also went on podcasts that had far more viewers than traditional media gets. I know what you’re saying, I just disagree. I don’t think there’s a “strong bias” against Trump from the broader media.

It’s one of the reasons I don’t view him as anti establishment anymore. 

A lot of popular media is behind him, he had a backed bigger than Soros. Who’s in jail? What changes in the institution do we have now to protect from future predators?

It’s a joke. In four years, we’ll have the exact same problems as now.

Maxwell and Epstein were Mossad/CIA agents. They are still on duty and Netanyahu has probably told Trump to sort it out, before the middle East explodes along with Ukraine.
Trump's own mouth is causing his own downfall

Can't blame this one on Trump D******* S*******

Daily winning?

What about Russiagate

What about the J6ers

What about Covid and Operation Warpspeed 

What about election fraud

Why haven't we heard more about the assassination attempt 

Anyone still loyally supporting Trump at this point seems to have Beaten Spouse Syndrome
(07-25-2025, 11:34 PM)Vermilion Wrote: If Maxwell wasn’t a liar and had evidence of others wrongdoings she would have told the authorities.
She didn’t.
She lied and was caught lying.
Maxwell is a proven liar.
They had her for two counts of perjury.
She can’t be trusted.
She is as believable as Michael Cohen at this point.

There were plenty of willing and unwilling adult victims in addition to willing and unwilling minors.
He was a pedo and he got what pedos deserve.


“Maxwell was charged with perjury based on answers she gave in a 2016 deposition regarding Epstein’s alleged abuse and her own complicity. The indictment against her cited multiple comments she made denying any knowledge of Epstein’s alleged abuse: When asked if Epstein had a “scheme to recruit underage girls for sexual massages,” she responded, “I don’t know what you’re talking about,” for instance, and she said she “was not aware of anybody that I interacted with” at Epstein’s properties being underage, other than a plaintiff involved in the civil lawsuit. Maxwell also testified under oath she was not aware of any “sex toys or devices” being used at Epstein’s properties, and that she had never personally given Epstein or any of his victims a massage. She also claimed she was unaware of Epstein engaging in “sexual activities” with anyone besides herself and two women she and Epstein had “three-way sexual activities with,” saying in her deposition, “I wasn't aware that he was having sexual activities with anyone when I was with him other than myself.” When asked again by attorneys to confirm that her testimony was that she was “not aware” of Epstein having any other sexual partners, Maxwell doubled down, saying, “That is my testimony, that is correct.” Her statements conflict with charges in the indictment that Maxwell was later convicted on, which alleged Maxwell conducted massages and was “present for and participated in the abuse of minor victims,” among other allegations.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurke...t-epstein/
Quote: 
Delane Maxwell has been granted0:13federal immunity by the DOJ. Why would0:17you grant somebody federal immunity0:19unless they're giving you something that0:21is of a criminal nature? This is what's0:24happening. Immunity is given to people0:26who are confessing to the federal0:28government and they're doing so0:29willingly. Perhaps they're already in0:31prison. Perhaps they're trying to save0:32their asses, but they're confessing0:35something that wasn't already known and0:39they want to protect themselves and they0:41want to give up people that are bigger0:42than them. Immunity is given for0:44instance in RICO cases. We've been0:46covering this. It's a massive deal. This0:49explains why 20 hours of testimony has0:54now been gotten from Jelane Maxwell by0:57Todd Blanch of the DOJ.1:00This all locks in and makes sense. And1:02we just heard today that Joel Maxwell1:06was asked about a hundred different1:09specific individuals.1:11And lo and behold, Donald Trump is out1:13at the White House talking about Bill1:14Clinton, saying, "Bill Clinton, Bill1:17Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton. My1:19god, he's going to go after Obama and1:21Clinton together. That's what's going to1:23happen. Now, according to Gelain1:25Maxwell's lawyer, they're very excited1:28for the immunity. They're happy to take1:30it. And the reason why they took it was1:33because Gelain Maxwell needed to speak1:36100% freely, and she did. According to1:38her lawyer, Gelain Maxwell didn't hold1:40back on anyone. She told the full truth.1:43I don't know. As I've said many times,1:46Julene Matchwell, according to all1:47available evidence, is a monster in this1:50story. However, if she's willing to give1:52up bigger monsters, well, let's listen1:54to her and let's see what she has to1:56say. And in order to do that, you got to1:59grant her immunity. And what does that2:00mean? Well, is she going to testify?2:02Yes. So, that's what's very interesting.2:05I called a member of Congress just a2:07second ago and they told me that this2:09immunity from the DOJ extends to2:12congressional testimony.

A child rapist committed perjury

How shocking

Maybe you should consider asking Trump why he sent his own lawyer to go hold private meetings with her when his DOJ is holding 100,000 Epstein related documents



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