Trump Neurosis Thread

[AngryOldBrewer]

Yay! Everyone is sharing, sounds like a conversation to me! After returning from my inlaws I felt like sharing one more important tidbit of information that was given to me by Gramma (my wife's sister's Husband's grandomother lol wow) before I left. She told me "we don't care about any facts, or truths, or radical left wing theories. We don't care if the economy crashes, they can take my land and burn it down, the stock market can fall to 0. Only one thing matters, that Donald J. Trump makes the libs and dems pay for everything they have done and he keeps his word on that promise. They turned the country evil, and he is changing it back for the better. Tell THAT to your liberal terrorists" My liberal terrorists, like because I live in California I have some secret RINO to LIB land line where i can send messages lol. 

I came to a realization that I will never be that hardcare about anything, certainly not about politicians and what they say. For that, I will always be a RINO. I can accept that. Lesson learned.

[AngryOldBrewer]

Isn't it obvious...when dems are in control they get to "vet" who stays and who gets the boot...so if you benefit them you stay...like someone they think will illegally vote dems in office. If you aren't useful you get the boot. When its republicans they cry foul at every turn because they aren't controlling who gets to stay and a lot of their likely useful people get the boot and more so prevented from entry all together. At least that sure is how it appears to me...

Of course, isn't that supposed to be how it works? If you contribute to the betterment of society, if you pay your taxes, if you volunteer for civil service, shit go to your jury duty appointment, that makes you a useful engine. As for the republicans, I see it as it no longer counts if you contribute to society and all those other things. The view is that ALL illegals are rapists, drug dealers and murderes. Under that pretense, nobody should be allowed to stay regardless of whether they contribute or not. Dems say you can stay if you help, republicans say I don't care if you can or cannot help, you are a terrorist because. THAT seems pretty obvious to me, but then again I have my own opinions.

[AngryOldBrewer]

As a point of reference regarding the new administrations view on immigration, a close friend of mine just had his father voluntarily deport himself back to El Salvadore after recieving a 30 day notice. He and his son, my friend, have been legal citizens for over 10 years. The father was a dentist, his son is an IT guru i often use at my taprooms and brewery for computer, POS and telemetry jobs. It took them 11 years and infinite number of hoops to make legal status happen. 

So 22 years ago they put in their requests for legal status. They had to then go back to El Salvadore (yes, prior they were in the country illegaly) and wait for their government to recieve a writ of dismissal (basically saying no charges for being here illegaly prior to the request) from the US. That took several years. Then they had to petition the US governement for legal status. The US gov then had to reach out to El Salvadore requesting records regarding any illegal dealings, arrests, charges and the such. Neither my friend nor his father had any. Once the US had recieved that in info, they were allowed back into the US on temp visa's. They had to check in with immigration once a year, every year, pay their taxes, hold an upstanding record so on and so forth. Once that was over (another 4 years, so we are at 7 years now) they were issued green cards. Still had to check in once a year every year, pay taxes, be an upstanding citizen so on and so forth. They did this for another 4 years before finally being approved to apply for legal citizenship. After taking the appropriate classes, passing the tests like standard english and the constitutional test (most legal immigrant citizens know more of the constitution than some Americans) they were finally granted citizenship. As in, you are no longer an illegal immigrant, you are now a US citizen. 11 years that took. A true testement to how important it was for this family to do it right. 

The father is now retired, and out of the blue, was given 30 days to leave the country or be fined and taken by force. He chose to leave. He was a citizen, payed his taxes, served on jury duty, had his own business, all the things you would think one would need to remain a citizen. Still, you have 30 days to leave the country. 

Now my perception of the new administration is they don't care about legals, illegals, temp status, green cards or student visas. They will deport you regardless, because no matter how "legal" you are, no matter how much you have contributed to society, you are sill an immigrant. That folks, is in a nutshell, is FUBAR. Not attached to any link, any Breightbart or CNN MSM. Plain old personal observation, which seems to be the only thing I CAN trust these days.

[RickyD]

Of course, isn't that supposed to be how it works? If you contribute to the betterment of society, if you pay your taxes, if you volunteer for civil service, shit go to your jury duty appointment, that makes you a useful engine. As for the republicans, I see it as it no longer counts if you contribute to society and all those other things. The view is that ALL illegals are rapists, drug dealers and murderes. Under that pretense, nobody should be allowed to stay regardless of whether they contribute or not. Dems say you can stay if you help, republicans say I don't care if you can or cannot help, you are a terrorist because. THAT seems pretty obvious to me, but then again I have my own opinions.

You are reading my post wrong...by useful I mean how can they be of benifit to the democratic party...as in votes when and where needed...more seats in the house which they don't hold majority in...faces for a smear ad when needed...that sorta thing. I don't care if you pay tax or any of that other crap...as long as you came in the country legally. Its the illegal part that is the problem...

[Maxmars]

"So 22 years ago they put in their requests for legal status. "

Then why are they targeted for deportation?  They performed due process... the government didn't "find" them hiding...

This is pretty much a poster situation for why people fear 'government help."

Meanwhile the media is putting on a reality TV show over convicted
or violent criminals being deported... it must be 'sexier' to them...

This situation you describe needed fixing...
why do I know that would cost an armload of money to a 'third party?'

[RickyD]

As a point of reference regarding the new administrations view on immigration, a close friend of mine just had his father voluntarily deport himself back to El Salvadore after recieving a 30 day notice. He and his son, my friend, have been legal citizens for over 10 years. The father was a dentist, his son is an IT guru i often use at my taprooms and brewery for computer, POS and telemetry jobs. It took them 11 years and infinite number of hoops to make legal status happen. 

So 22 years ago they put in their requests for legal status. They had to then go back to El Salvadore (yes, prior they were in the country illegaly) and wait for their government to recieve a writ of dismissal (basically saying no charges for being here illegaly prior to the request) from the US. That took several years. Then they had to petition the US governement for legal status. The US gov then had to reach out to El Salvadore requesting records regarding any illegal dealings, arrests, charges and the such. Neither my friend nor his father had any. Once the US had recieved that in info, they were allowed back into the US on temp visa's. They had to check in with immigration once a year, every year, pay their taxes, hold an upstanding record so on and so forth. Once that was over (another 4 years, so we are at 7 years now) they were issued green cards. Still had to check in once a year every year, pay taxes, be an upstanding citizen so on and so forth. They did this for another 4 years before finally being approved to apply for legal citizenship. After taking the appropriate classes, passing the tests like standard english and the constitutional test (most legal immigrant citizens know more of the constitution than some Americans) they were finally granted citizenship. As in, you are no longer an illegal immigrant, you are now a US citizen. 11 years that took. A true testement to how important it was for this family to do it right. 

The father is now retired, and out of the blue, was given 30 days to leave the country or be fined and taken by force. He chose to leave. He was a citizen, payed his taxes, served on jury duty, had his own business, all the things you would think one would need to remain a citizen. Still, you have 30 days to leave the country. 

Now my perception of the new administration is they don't care about legals, illegals, temp status, green cards or student visas. They will deport you regardless, because no matter how "legal" you are, no matter how much you have contributed to society, you are sill an immigrant. That folks, is in a nutshell, is FUBAR. Not attached to any link, any Breightbart or CNN MSM. Plain old personal observation, which seems to be the only thing I CAN trust these days.

I have not seen where anyone is deporting any legal immigrants. If you paid for your visa and filed the paperwork and got approved or have gotten a greencard legitimately I don't see any issues or anyone calling for deportation. Now if you skipped the line and just showed up trying to stay you should probably get the boot. If you want to file for asylem you can do it at the US embassy in your current country of residence.

[RickyD]

As a point of reference regarding the new administrations view on immigration, a close friend of mine just had his father voluntarily deport himself back to El Salvadore after recieving a 30 day notice. He and his son, my friend, have been legal citizens for over 10 years. The father was a dentist, his son is an IT guru i often use at my taprooms and brewery for computer, POS and telemetry jobs. It took them 11 years and infinite number of hoops to make legal status happen. 

So 22 years ago they put in their requests for legal status. They had to then go back to El Salvadore (yes, prior they were in the country illegaly) and wait for their government to recieve a writ of dismissal (basically saying no charges for being here illegaly prior to the request) from the US. That took several years. Then they had to petition the US governement for legal status. The US gov then had to reach out to El Salvadore requesting records regarding any illegal dealings, arrests, charges and the such. Neither my friend nor his father had any. Once the US had recieved that in info, they were allowed back into the US on temp visa's. They had to check in with immigration once a year, every year, pay their taxes, hold an upstanding record so on and so forth. Once that was over (another 4 years, so we are at 7 years now) they were issued green cards. Still had to check in once a year every year, pay taxes, be an upstanding citizen so on and so forth. They did this for another 4 years before finally being approved to apply for legal citizenship. After taking the appropriate classes, passing the tests like standard english and the constitutional test (most legal immigrant citizens know more of the constitution than some Americans) they were finally granted citizenship. As in, you are no longer an illegal immigrant, you are now a US citizen. 11 years that took. A true testement to how important it was for this family to do it right. 

The father is now retired, and out of the blue, was given 30 days to leave the country or be fined and taken by force. He chose to leave. He was a citizen, payed his taxes, served on jury duty, had his own business, all the things you would think one would need to remain a citizen. Still, you have 30 days to leave the country. 

Now my perception of the new administration is they don't care about legals, illegals, temp status, green cards or student visas. They will deport you regardless, because no matter how "legal" you are, no matter how much you have contributed to society, you are sill an immigrant. That folks, is in a nutshell, is FUBAR. Not attached to any link, any Breightbart or CNN MSM. Plain old personal observation, which seems to be the only thing I CAN trust these days.

if they are legit citizens not just legal migrants on a visa or greencard they would have no problems winning the case in court. I am sure there are plenty of lawyers who take slam dunk immigration cases pro-bono. After 11 years of work getting there why would you just leave...I assume they kept dual citizenship...but after all that they just left without a fight?!?!

[AngryOldBrewer]

I have not seen where anyone is deporting any legal immigrants. If you paid for your visa and filed the paperwork and got approved or have gotten a greencard legitimately I don't see any issues or anyone calling gor deportation. Now if you skipped the line and just showed up trying to stay you should probably get the boot. If you want to file for asylem you can do it at the US embassy in your current country of residence.

Same thought process, but here we are. My friend is devistated but his father thought he was doing the right thing. My friend mentioned other people he knows recieveing similar notices regardless of their legality and is very concerned for his friends and family. As I said, not from any right or left MSM but directly from personal experience. This is not a guy who lies, for any reason. Whole family is deeply religious and honestly believes in the US and the processes, to the point where his father went back to El Salvadore. This is not ICE showing up at his door or anything. This was an email addressed specifically to his father as well as other individuals including all the details of their immigration status and process numbers (not sure how the numbers fit in, but he mentioned it several times), basically info that only the gov and immigration? would have.

[putnam6]

"So 22 years ago they put in their requests for legal status. "

Then why are they targeted for deportation?  They performed due process... the government didn't "find" them hiding...

This is pretty much a poster situation for why people fear 'government help."

Meanwhile the media is putting on a reality TV show over convicted
or violent criminals being deported... it must be 'sexier' to them...

This situation you describe needed fixing...
why do I know that would cost an armload of money to a 'third party?'

Law Firms are making bank on issues like this. It seems like if they went public, they could perhaps get some legal help, and have no doubt they aren't alone. Supposedly, though, they should be prioritized if they have all the proper paperwork to hopefully return to the US fairly quickly. 

Im aware it isn't fair and just for this individual, hopefully they find legal recourse to help or expedite thier situation. There's no doubt some attorney would love to work the case pro bono in California,if the description is factually accurate.

Sounds as if they have some legal recourse. Which is what they should be looking into. Sounds as these were detained but have been released

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/migran...-crackdown

 But America can't choke its infrastructure and finances with the undocumented,

According to ICE, only a small fraction are being arrested for immigration violations. As for now, California has a ridiculously low number of arrests 

For every wrongful detention and deportation that is happening, there are still loads of "undocumented" slipping through the cracks. 

[AngryOldBrewer]

if they are legit citizens not just legal migrants on a visa or greencard they would have no problems winning the case in court. I am sure there are plenty of lawyers who take slam dunk immigration cases pro-bono. After 11 years of work getting there why would you just leave...I assume they kept dual citizenship...but after all that they just left without a fight?!?!

They are legal citizens and no, there aren't really any lawers available for pro bono or individual work. They are all swamped by illegal immigration cases being fought in multiple courts. They have money, but not law firm will represent them after Trump signed the executive order barring any firm representing illegal immigrants. They could have their licenses pulled or worse. I really want to chalk this up to a "mistake, one time problem" kinda deal, but my buddy is very worried. These folks live eat and breathe America. Gave them all the opportunity they could handle.