Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Lol forgive me for posting this I couldn't resist




They won't be able to enforce the VPN policy for several reasons such as manpower, privacy laws of places like Panama and Sweden, businesses using custom VPN's for extra security to encrypt their network traffic *some schools do it too*, mostly manpower though. Law enforcement has bigger concerns on their plate than this and dont want or need the extra work. What about other protocols like SSH they may as well block the entire internet in the state lol pointless. I also 100% see where you are coming from with the CCP and north Korean regime. I agree 100%

[UltraBudgie]

You can't legislate morality. It has been tried too many times to count. See prohibition as a big example. It just caused the rise of organized crime.

The very devices and Internet you are posting on has been paid for by people wanting porn. Money is money.

Of course you can legislate morality. What a silly argument. The problem comes when society's values do not align with the morality being legislated. Which prohibition did not; too many Christians simply did not have a problem with winebibbing.

Whereas there is a large and growing segment of popular opinion that, as has been shown in this thread, thinks porn is vile.

[PorkChop96]

You can bet dollars to doughnuts that if the 2nd amendment said "shall not be infringed by Congress", the left would be arguing that states could make total gun bans.

What do you think the left has been trying to do for decades?   Illinois, California, New York, etc.

Yes, they are not completely prohibited in those states but they are severely limited and harder to legally obtain, or even posses if you owned them previously.  Out of any guns that I have ever owned, I only had 3 that would meet the restrictions in any of those states. 

Shall not infringe means just that, no infringement at all. Those sates listed above, and other cities/states alike, are infringing on that right every second of every day.

[UltraBudgie]

What do you think the left has been trying to do for decades?   Illinois, California, New York, etc.

Yes, they are not completely prohibited in those states but they are severely limited and harder to legally obtain, or even posses if you owned them previously.  Out of any guns that I have ever owned, I only had 3 that would meet the restrictions in any of those states. 

Shall not infringe means just that, no infringement at all. Those sates listed above, and other cities/states alike, are infringing on that right every second of every day.

Yeah. Obviously. I mentioned that because one would think, then, that the same anti-prohibition argument that says it's not okay to ban guns at a state level would apply to attempts to ban porn at a state level. But as you point out the Constitution addresses those differently, one is a universal prohibition of infringement, the other is a prohibition of infringement by the federal Congress.

There's an interpretation of the Constitution that is very pernicious, and entirely undermines state's rights in these matters. It has to do with the Privileges and Immunities Clause of Section IV: “the citizens of each State shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States". The argument is that the rights protection of the 1st Amendment is in fact a privilege, or immunity, and thus states are prohibited from infringing in the exact same way that Congress is. That is the opinion that is currently in-vogue with "legal scholars".

This interpretation is obviously bullshit, and ignores the careful wording of the Constitution, for purposes of divesting individual states of their power to self-regulate in a diverse manner, increasing the tyranny of the federal government. It should be overturned.

[Moon68]

I wonder if Rep. Josh Schriver has been hanging out with Tipper Gore and Susan Baker?

Something, something legal adults partaking in an activity that doesn't infringe on another's rights nor endangers others.

[LightAngel]

I would ban it and question why anyone would choose to watch or produce it. 

I think I agree with you here, but I am not sure it would stop.

What if a ban made our society even more dangerous?

There are some really sick people in this world - and what if porn protect us from their sick tendencies?

[UltraBudgie]

What if a ban made our society even more dangerous?

There are some really sick people in this world - and what if porn protect us from their sick tendencies?

That is the same argument that could be applied to organized dogfights. "Well, if we ban animal bloodsports, there's some really sick people who find it as an outlet, maybe they'd start being violent against people. What if them seeing dogs ripping each other to shreds actually protects us?"

It's garbage.

[LightAngel]

That is the same argument that could be applied to organized dogfights. "Well, if we ban animal bloodsports, there's some really sick people who find it as an outlet, maybe they'd start being violent against people. What if them seeing dogs ripping each other to shreds actually protects us?"

It's garbage.

Dog fights are sick and terrible, and they should be banned because it is animal abuse without a doubt!

However, porn is something some humans like, and they participant because they want to. The fact that I do not like porn is a personally thing. I don't think everybody who watch porn or make porn are sick, but I do think it is a business that should be questioned, and monitored to be sure that what is happening is safe.

[midicon]

I think I agree with you here, but I am not sure it would stop.

What if a ban made our society even more dangerous?

There are some really sick people in this world - and what if porn protect us from their sick tendencies?

You could be right LightAngel. Perhaps it's best for people like me to just accept what is and leave others to do what they like. In reality who am I to judge anyone? It might be that some need that outlet. The whole idea of it is ridiculous to me, truly.

I was prompted by your reply to Google Islam and porn. It would appear that it is forbidden and yet I wouldn't for a minute think those countries are safe for young women...perhaps less safe even.

Bear in mind, I have been celibate for forty years lol. 

Regards midicon.

[PorkChop96]

Dog fights are sick and terrible, and they should be banned because it is animal abuse without a doubt!

However, porn is something some humans like, and they participant because they want to. The fact that I do not like porn is a personally thing. I don't think everybody who watch porn or make porn are sick, but I do think it is a business that should be questioned, and monitored to be sure that what is happening is safe.

Dogfighting is already illegal in all 50 states......ask Michael Vick about that