Times Have Changed

[PorkChop96]

I put this thread in the Social Issues & Civil Unrest forums because I believe this is a major social issue that has plagued our country for a while now. This will probably come across as a rant as well so MODS, please move if you deem it necessary to do so. 

Just for context this is solely based on experience from the US, no idea about other countries, but if you feel the same I would love to hear it. 


Times have changed and I am of the firm belief that there has been a major societal shift in the attitude and entitlement of, not only young and older men, but also in women of all ages as well. And that change came about when it became "socially unacceptable" to slap the taste out of someone's mouth for being an absolutely piece of human garbage to you or someone you are with. 

Now, let me preface this with saying that I do not condone just absolutely beating someone half to death for no reason, or for hitting women just to hit them. BUT, if you deserve to get slapped in the mouth for what you are doing or saying to someone, I think you should be able to. Yes, you do have a first amendment right to freedom of speech, but that does not mean you have freedom from consequences for your actions. This does not mean you can get in someone's face and berate them or insult them, the entire time spitting on them and invading their personal space while doing it. Actions have consequences and there are A LOT of people who have forgotten that, or were never taught that to begin with. 


Now for a little story. My great grandfather was a United States Marine, he fought on Iwo Jima and all across the pacific theatre, he was also a golden gloves boxer. You know, back when boxers were actually boxers and not fairy's that danced around the ring. He and his wife were out on the town one night when they were suddenly accosted by a couple of young "men" that thought they had nothing better to do than to mess with an elderly couple (I believe in their late 60's at the time) who were just enjoying life together. They followed my grandparents around town and even started down the highway when they were heading home, so my grandfather did what most men would do and he pulled over to confront them and see what their problem was. They get out of their car and proceed to try and fight my grandfather, and got their asses handed to them by an old man, all about 30 feet away from the local sheriff. He walked over, told them to get their shit and leave, thanked my grandfather for his service in teaching those "men" a lesson they should never forget and everyone went on their way.  No harm, no fowl.


That kind of thing does not happen anymore, if it does it needs to happen a lot more. The second anyone would even think of trying to do this same thing, those that started the entire confrontation would start crying and calling the cops to save their sorry asses from the mess they made. And it is mainly younger "men" that need this lesson, some older men and even some women too. Again, not condoning beating the shit out of women but some think they are invincible and need to be taken down a peg or two, how that happens is between them and the women that teach them that lesson. 

That middle aged man that is screaming at the teenager at McDonalds because he only got 19 nuggets in his 20 piece order could use some enlightenment. Usually a nice proper "bitch" slap takes the wind out of most peoples sails and is enough to bring people back to the reality that you can't do that in a civil society. And it's usually due to the fact that is probably the first time he has been shown that he cannot treat other humans like that. 

Every day, maybe a slight exaggeration, I see people "road raging" on the highway that think they are invincible, and immune from consequences, because nobody has gotten out of their car to teach them they aren't. And as soon as someone like me, 6'3" 375 pounds, gets out of the car to let them know they are just as mortal as the rest of us, most of them run away and keep going about their same bullshit. 

I am sick and tired of those that think they are entitled to being safe from the consequences of their actions, all because someone deemed it was "socially unacceptable" to physically remind them that they are not immune from it. 

I know there will be opposition to this train of thought, and I welcome it, but I would love to hear others opinions of this as well. And please, I am not trying to make this a political thread so keep it out of here.   Thanks

[midicon]

I sometimes watch those mad YouTube videos of drivers giving cops a hard time and I wonder 'whatever happened to good old fashioned police violence...or at least 'duct tape is your friend'.

But that's just me. I have black fatigue, woke fatigue, sovereign citizen fatigue, Islam fatigue, Ukraine fatigue, Palestine fatigue and Iran fatigue. I probably missed a few!

I blame the internet and the dumbing down of society and people.

[quintessentone]

It sounds like you feel entitled to physically assault someone because you are unable to handle or control your emotions from hearing a 'sticks and stones ...names won't break my bones' rant from someone else.

I call that escalating an already bad situation when you don't know what's going on with the other person.

In dealing with others, such as in customer service, the person ranting could be in crisis and it, in most cases, really isn't directed at you, you are just there, they are in meltdown, they are on drugs, they are drunk...that's why calling the police, which is their job, is what police recommend. They are trained in these confrontations, you are not.

Road rage is something too that should be handled with kid gloves because escalating it by physically assaulting someone in an already tense situation can lead to guns being drawn and fired.

The consequences of someone else exercising their constitutional speech rights does not give you any rights to decide the consequences.

It sounds like you are a product of your era and don't want to progress to do what's right by not physically assaulting people who rub you the wrong way.

[PorkChop96]

I sometimes watch those mad YouTube videos of drivers giving cops a hard time and I wonder 'whatever happened to good old fashioned police violence...or at least 'duct tape is your friend'.

But that's just me. I have black fatigue, woke fatigue, sovereign citizen fatigue, Islam fatigue, Ukraine fatigue, Palestine fatigue and Iran fatigue. I probably missed a few!

I blame the internet and the dumbing down of society and people.

The funny thing is, most cops already know how the interaction is going to go with those kind of people. And you know those cops just want to give them a little bop on the head and ask them wtf their problem is. 

I blame the internet for a lot of things, and this definitely falls under that umbrella. There are thousands, if not millions, of videos of people doing the same things I posted about and receiving no consequences for their actions. so they all think they can go out and do the same thing. Until that one time they meet someone who is going to teach them the lesson they needed to learn years ago. 

But I also feel that can have something to do with absent parent(s), whether that be physically absent or mentally/emotionally absent, and they are never punished for anything they do. they can do no wrong and as soon as someone shows them they can do wrong, and punishes them for it, it's a big song and dance of "you're going to hear form my dad, lawyer, the cops, etc." and it's all just a tantrum.

[ArMaP]

I know there will be opposition to this train of thought, and I welcome it, but I would love to hear others opinions of this as well. And please, I am not trying to make this a political thread so keep it out of here.   Thanks

Not really opposition, just a reminder that, as you said, actions have consequences, so those escalating a verbal confrontation into a physical confrontation should also expect consequences.

[PorkChop96]

Not really opposition, just a reminder that, as you said, actions have consequences, so those escalating a verbal confrontation into a physical confrontation should also expect consequences.

I whole heartedly agree, if I am taking it to that level, I expect the same in return.

I have also found that, as I stated in the OP, most people will not actually fight back when confronted with a physical altercation. I have had a handful that will reciprocate, but they are few and far between. 

I am not going out of my way to start a fight with anyone and everyone I see, and I rarely even have to fight anyone to begin with, but I am also not going to step down from someone, that needs their entitlement to my space, taken down a peg. 


Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times

[Ray1990]

Escalating a verbal altercation into violence is just assault. In the US of all places it's probably not worth escalating a situation when the other person could be armed, might have the ability to "follow you home" whether that's via dash cam footage or another way.

Consequences are harder to escape these days and that's a good thing.

What isn't a good thing?

The complete lapse of emotional regulation.

Kids rarely ever just smash their toys, your TV and seemingly randomly scream at things. They learn that shit, adopt it from the morons who dragged them up. So therefore it's a safe conclusion that some in their life did a shoddy job of teaching emotional maturity but then it's hard to teach something you never had isn't it?

Kids being raised by bigger kids directly results in more humans having emotional dysregulation. A trait they often share?

Violence is very optional.

[David64]

It sounds like you feel entitled to physically assault someone because you are unable to handle or control your emotions from hearing a 'sticks and stones ...names won't break my bones' rant from someone else.

I call that escalating an already bad situation when you don't know what's going on with the other person.

In dealing with others, such as in customer service, the person ranting could be in crisis and it, in most cases, really isn't directed at you, you are just there, they are in meltdown, they are on drugs, they are drunk...that's why calling the police, which is their job, is what police recommend. They are trained in these confrontations, you are not.

Road rage is something too that should be handled with kid gloves because escalating it by physically assaulting someone in an already tense situation can lead to guns being drawn and fired.

The consequences of someone else exercising their constitutional speech rights does not give you any rights to decide the consequences.

It sounds like you are a product of your era and don't want to progress to do what's right by not physically assaulting people who rub you the wrong way.

I don't care what they're going through. That doesn't give them the right to take it out on someone else. People who do that generally feel entitled to abuse other people because they've always gotten away with it in the past.

Less coddling and more good ol' fashion bitch slap seems to improve their manners very quickly.

If they don't have the restraint to control themselves, what happens next is on them.

[UltraBudgie]

I don't care what they're going through. That doesn't give them the right to take it out on someone else. People who do that generally feel entitled to abuse other people because they've always gotten away with it in the past.

Less coddling and more good ol' fashion bitch slap seems to improve their manners very quickly.

If they don't have the restraint to control themselves, what happens next is on them.

The same people who would call this attitude atrocious and illegal are the same ones who claim that it's their perfectly reasonable right to punch a Nazi¹.


¹ They are the ones who get to decide if you're a Nazi

[cherokeetroy]

Sounds like both parties have an issue with lack of emotional discipline and physical restraint 

No surprise there