They Stalk Their Prey Buckeye Bigfoot Small Town Monsters

[WallFlowerActive]

I am chuffed that you are dedicated as a disbeliever, that you have all of your arguments and thoughts in a row WFA, but I am inclined to believe, and as such I hope that you have the chance of an experience with Sasquatch.

I have never enjoyed the argumentative side of the internet. ATS towards the end, here in the political mudpit or elsewhere. 

In the reality of day to day life, what difference does it make to anyone else if I believe in the Loch Ness Monster, the Bimini Road, the Bermuda Triangle or Sasquatch?

Meh, as usual, my 2 pesos….


Tecate

I tackle the problem of Bigfoot as if it was my next wildlife photography project or if I was actually hunting Bigfoot. I would love to get that proof of Bigfoot. I can track deer to find locations to set a blind.  Or route a hike that will cross various deer runs.  Especially in and out of creek beds.  

Bobcats and foxes are harder because of being more nocturnal and not offering in the way of photography great opportunities.  But know people and seen their work because a mother fox gave birth in the woodshed for example.  With great pictures of the fox kits playing in the yard / lawn.

Everything about Bigfeet seems dead or being a hoax.  Where things like foxes, deer, bobcats are teaming with life to me.

[putnam6]

Staged and fake video/ pictures.  Really.

What real wildlife looks like..  Sounds of the hunt and tracks being made. Multiple clips with clear images.

Are people really fool by Bigfoot hoax videos?

 You are one of the 84% who don't believe in Bigfoot, rejoice... why give a shit what the other 16% think and or believe.  

As ive said, I do not know for a fact, but? Im open to the possibility, no more no less

Did you watch my video links?  Ive heard it all before, no clear pics or fossil record, this is covered in almost every book and video that presents the opposing view.  

Apes respond differently to cameras from canines and ungulates; hell, chimpanzees and gorillas respond more overtly than the shy and elusive orangutans  

but no pics no bodies...

https://exploringanimals.com/fascinating...l-species/
 

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[putnam6]

Lets put this in perspective..


The wolf population of the US.

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Where sadly wolves are open to hunting? Hope I’m wrong.

Nope. About 1,000 wolves harvested in the lower states.

Where there are active biology programs that study wolves. Even capture them and place tracking tags on them to be released to the wild. Where I have a research center in my state that has about 7 wolves in a large habitat.

Yet. Nothing conclusive concerning Bigfoot? In the whole history of automobile accidents, hunting, and capturing and tagging animals for research? With large incentives to capture a Bigfoot for study. Bigfeet are not flesh and blood like wolves.

Well, there you solved the mystery... because we study wolves, Bigfoot doesn't exist....



To claim the reward, you'd have to catch one alive and transport it out of the wilderness.

LOL, good luck with that, Dudley
Better not kill it in Skamania County, WA, though huge fines would be incurred...

 

1.  The habitat is absurdly huge and rugged
   • The core Pacific Northwest + British Columbia range is ~500,000 square miles of steep, wet, old-growth forest with almost no roads. You could hide an entire population of 1,000–2,000 large primates there and never see one unless you literally walked into it. Compare: there are only about 1,500–2,000 wild grizzlies in the entire Lower 48, and people still only get ~300–400 photos/videos of them per year even though we know exactly what they are.
     
2. They would be extremely good at avoiding humans
   • If they exist, they’ve survived alongside Native tribes and then modern humans for centuries without being caught. That implies nocturnal/crepuscular habits, burial or caching of dead, extreme wariness of humans, and possibly deliberate hiding of bodies (observed in great apes).
     
3. Killing or capturing one is insanely difficult in practice
   • Tranquilizing a 600–900 lb unknown primate at night in thick brush is a good way to kill it (overdose or underdose).  
     
   • Live-trapping something that smart and strong has never worked (bears already wreck most traps).  
     
   • Shooting one and hauling 700+ lbs of dead weight miles through devil’s-club and blow-downs is a multi-day nightmare even for experienced hunting guides.
     
4. The incentive is real, but the risk/reward math still sucks for most people
   • Spend $50k–$250k per year on expeditions, thermal drones, bait stations, etc., with a 99.99 % chance of finding nothing → most serious bounty hunters burn out after a few seasons.  
     
   • The few full-time Bigfoot hunters who keep going (e.g., the Olympic Project, NAWAC) still haven’t closed the deal after 10–20 years of effort.
     
5. Hoaxers and contamination ruin credible efforts
   • Every time someone brings in a “body” or “DNA sample,” it turns out to be a costume or bear DNA with human contamination. This has made universities and zoos extremely wary; most now refuse to even test alleged Bigfoot evidence unless it’s extraordinary.
     
6. Legal and PR nightmare if you actually succeed
   • The moment you shoot or trap one, you’re facing felony charges in places like Skamania County, lawsuits from Native tribes (many consider Sasquatch a sacred being), and instant global media scrutiny. A lot of hunters say privately they’d rather just walk away than deal with the circus.
     

Bottom line: The incentives are large, but the probability of success is so vanishingly small—and the cost, danger, and hassle so large—that no one has managed (or perhaps even come close) to cashing in.
 

[WallFlowerActive]

LOL, good luck with that, Dudley
Better not kill it in Skamania County, WA, though huge fines would be incurred...

Which has what to do with less than 10,000 wolves in the lower states.  And yet people actively video, follow pollutions, and research teams actively capture and tag wolves for study.  Where people and researchers can find active populations.  It’s not rocket science or nothing mystical.  

Yet, every Bigfoot hunter is an epic failure.  Can’t even find a Bigfoot corpse when for example diseases like blue tongue disease cut into deer populations making it relatively easy to find deer remains during outbreaks.


Again.  Bigfeet are not flesh and blood like wolves, deer, bears, bobcats.


Added.  Where mange and tick born diseases have a great impact on wolf populations and mortality.

[WallFlowerActive]

1. Killing or capturing one is insanely difficult in practice
   • Tranquilizing a 600–900 lb unknown primate at night in thick brush is a good way to kill it (overdose or underdose).  
     
   • Live-trapping something that smart and strong has never worked (bears already wreck most traps).  
     
   • Shooting one and hauling 700+ lbs of dead weight miles through devil’s-club and blow-downs is a multi-day nightmare even for experienced hunting guides.
     

Why does it have to be done at night?  I didn’t know old grow forests with thick tall tree canopies had thick under brush?  There is thick undergrowth along fields, and open spaces.  

anyway…
 

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https://www.iwmf.org/reporting/meet-the-...-gorillas/

Where female moose weight between 800 and 1,300 lbs.  Live in areas of heavy underbrush.  

Have any other straw man arguments?

[Kurokage]

Your comment to wallflower...

Did you watch my video links?  Ive heard it all before, no clear pics or fossil record, this is covered in almost every book and video that presents the opposing view.  

I've caught out 'WallFlower' before for not even attempting to watch anything counter to their 'belief' when I created a thread about the Patterson-Gimlin footage (The Cryptid forum needed it)
He negatively commented about a 30 minute video of the footage within 5 minutes of me posting it, so had clearly not watched it.


Even though I'm open minded to the possibility of Bigfoot, I'm not a die hard believer. However, I do find the subject totally fascinating. We know we existed along side several hominids for thousands of years and the idea that we still share the planet with one isn't totally crazy to me.
People are seeing something out there, as to what, who knows??
 
As well as Small town Monsters, I also find the Bob Gymlins videos very interesting and would recommend them to anyone with an interest in this subject.

[putnam6]

Which has what to do with less than 10,000 wolves in the lower states.  And yet people actively video, follow pollutions, and research teams actively capture and tag wolves for study.  Where people and researchers can find active populations.  It’s not rocket science or nothing mystical.  

Yet, every Bigfoot hunter is an epic failure.  Can’t even find a Bigfoot corpse when for example diseases like blue tongue disease cut into deer populations making it relatively easy to find deer remains during outbreaks.


Again.  Bigfeet are not flesh and blood like wolves, deer, bears, bobcats.


Added.  Where mange and tick born diseases have a great impact on wolf populations and mortality.

Yeah, man, I get it, you are the 84% you don't think they exist, believe they can't exist, because blue tongue disease and wolves...

It's duly noted

I've discussed its existence possibilities in depth on ATS and other places dozens of times, and have spent hours reading threads arguing about the existence and the possible reasons they do not exist. 

The problem, though, is proving they don't or can't exist is damn nigh impossible, even more so than proving they do; we have very few fossils of Gigantopithecus, but the proof of thier existence is based on a few fossil teeth and a partial jawbone, IIRC 

I suggest that if you want to continue and get massive participation, there's a whole forum at bigfoot.com that needs good teaching. 

But this isn't a Is Bigfoot real thread; it's specifically STM's productions about Bigfoot, and generally other Bigfoot documentaries or podcasts.

I love watching the good ones and loathe the lousy and sensationalistic ones.  

If you have a book, article, video, podcast, etc that supports your opinion, post a link, and I'll watch and comment.

[putnam6]

Your comment to wallflower...

I've caught out 'WallFlower' before for not even attempting to watch anything counter to their 'belief' when I created a thread about the Patterson-Gimlin footage (The Cryptid forum needed it)
He negatively commented about a 30 minute video of the footage within 5 minutes of me posting it, so had clearly not watched it.


Even though I'm open minded to the possibility of Bigfoot, I'm not a die hard believer. However, I do find the subject totally fascinating. We know we existed along side several hominids for thousands of years and the idea that we still share the planet with one isn't totally crazy to me.
People are seeing something out there, as to what, who knows??
 
As well as Small town Monsters, I also find the Bob Gymlins videos very interesting and would recommend them to anyone with an interest in this subject.

Some find thier entertainment by just arguing on a message board...

As Ive mentioned, I agree it's improbable....

But Ive always enjoyed the What If...ever since seeing the Legend of Boggy Creek when I was 6, and then the In Search of and of course the Patterson Gimlin film.

[Kurokage]

But Ive always enjoyed the What If...ever since seeing the Legend of Boggy Creek when I was 6, and then the In Search of and of course the Patterson Gimlin film.

Yeah, I'm of a similar opinion.

I think I was around a similar age when I saw The Legend of Boggy Creek, it terrified and amazed me.

[WallFlowerActive]

Your comment to wallflower...

I've caught out 'WallFlower' before for not even attempting to watch anything

If you want to prove Bigfoot is a living flesh and blood animal like a wolf.  Then produce a flesh and blood living Bigfoot where researchers can produce living flesh and blood wolves.  All you have is campfire stories and cons in a world where any hunter or animal research team would give there left nut if they could find an actual Bigfoot specimen while tagging 1,200 lbs moose to rounding up dead or sick deer from disease and tick born illnesses.