The new POS rifle for the Army

[727Sky]

When the rifle first came out there were glowing propaganda reports about what a fine weapon it was... This latest report reminds me of the M-16 issued to the troops in Vietnam which at first was also a POS that got our troops killed. It is a heavy weapon which means it is slow on target and the suppressor after a few 100 rounds washes out your night vision goggles due to heat glow.

[727Sky]

Reading about the .227 round which I'm unfamiliar with. It sounds like the new generation 7.62. Similar in size and function. Both around 130-150 grain.

I guess the issue here is the rifle itself. The 227 fury has a higher penetration, velocity, and significantly more pressure. Lots of potential if they do it right.

I did see when they were first fielding the rifle that each round cost $13 US... I really do hope DOGE gets into the insane procurement and waste at the DOD... The old spend it or lose it has been around since I can remember and is still in effect. Who approves this stuff other than someone lining their pockets !!

 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...bJgv-g_eFk

 
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[PorkChop96]

I did see when they were first fielding the rifle that each round cost $13 US... I really do hope DOGE gets into the insane procurement and waste at the DOD... The old spend it or lose it has been around since I can remember and is still in effect. Who approves this stuff other than someone lining their pockets !!

 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...bJgv-g_eFk

Not sure who was putting out that the ammo was $13 a round, that is just completely inaccurate information. 

6.8x51mm (.277 Fury) ammo, for civilians, is sitting at about $2-2.50 a round. Yes, that is significantly more than the $.26-.50 a round for the 5.56 NATO round that was used in the M4 carbine. But, when you factor in that this round was designed to pierce body armor, you are going to use one of these rounds for every 4-6 that would have been needed with 5.56 NATO.

[727Sky]

Not sure who was putting out that the ammo was $13 a round, that is just completely inaccurate information. 

6.8x51mm (.277 Fury) ammo, for civilians, is sitting at about $2-2.50 a round. Yes, that is significantly more than the $.26-.50 a round for the 5.56 NATO round that was used in the M4 carbine. But, when you factor in that this round was designed to pierce body armor, you are going to use one of these rounds for every 4-6 that would have been needed with 5.56 NATO.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VlbiIxu7H...ture=share   $13

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Both prices are correct.

The government probably pays below civilian retail at $2.25 per round, but it's listed as $13.00 on any official congress oversighted budget ledger. 

The gallactic space cruisers congress can't know about can't pay for themselves.

[PorkChop96]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VlbiIxu7H...ture=share   $13

Went through and watched the entire 20 minute video. 

Yes, he does state that the US Army was quote $13 a round for the 6.8x51mm "spicy, high tech" ammo for this rifle. Those are going to be special built, purpose driven, rounds.  Just as you would not give a grunt the APIT 50 BMG round for every day use, these rounds would not be used for standard target practice or infantryman everyday carry. 

After that stated price, he then goes on to say that they have an average of about $2.73 a round for the general use ammo. IE what would be given to infantryman and used for range day.

[sahgwa]

We have so much 5.56 ammo lying around its like candy.
Rifle training, marksmanship exams, general combat. . . The mind boggles if one was tasked to actually phasing out the standard issue m16a1/a2/a4 and m14 and it's NATO rounds.  Logistics logistics logistics 

I swear my rifle in Basic was from Vietnam. Still worked like a charm.

[PorkChop96]

We have so much 5.56 ammo lying around its like candy.
Rifle training, marksmanship exams, general combat. . . The mind boggles if one was tasked to actually phasing out the standard issue m16a1/a2/a4 and m14 and it's NATO rounds.  Logistics logistics logistics 

I swear my rifle in Basic was from Vietnam. Still worked like a charm.

They have no plans to completely phase out the 5.56NAOT cartridge.

The new rifle is only being distributed to those in close quarters combat scenarios, not everyone will get one. I imagine they are still going to be using the M4 for basic training and all other applications where putting rounds through body armor into soft targets is not a necessity. 

I would almost bet money that the longer this new 6.8x51mm round is around, it will gain popularity and it might even become one of the next NATO rounds.

[Avicula]

It’s worth noting that the original M-16s were not the problem. It was a series of issues with the magazines and propellant used in the ammunition, and inadequate training that led to problems with extraction and failure to feed. Stoner’s rifle was damn near perfect in its earliest iterations. The only addition to the type was the forward assist, which was added to address issues with the bolt that came as a result of underpowered, unacclimated ammunition.

[PorkChop96]

It’s worth noting that the original M-16s were not the problem. It was a series of issues with the magazines and propellant used in the ammunition, and inadequate training that led to problems with extraction and failure to feed. Stoner’s rifle was damn near perfect in its earliest iterations. The only addition to the type was the forward assist, which was added to address issues with the bolt that came as a result of underpowered, unacclimated ammunition.

It also stemmed from the mfg of the rifles wanted to hold such tight tolerances on a rifle that was going to be dropped in a jungle that it just wasn't going to work. Once they realized this and opened up the tolerancing to make the rifle a little more "sloppy", as it's adversary was, it ran without fail. 

There was a reason that all other countries were adopting the AK platform at that time, they were damn near "un-killable".