Location Of The Garden Of Eden

[HumanClay]

After much study I have to conclude the biblical Eden is not and never was on this Earth. The fact that the tree of life is in the same place in Genesis and also is in Revelation after all creation is destroyed confirms this. Further yet, the book of Enoch also places this "tree" in the heavenly realm. It seems the majority of churches are lying to their members. This brings into the question the original nature of man before the fall. There is a lot of puzzle pieces that can be put together when this is realized. Take note that the four rivers in Genesis are actually the foundations of all creation . They are the four chief angels Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, and Raphael. Upon them the great expanse rests. They have armies under them, these are the eyes in the wheels. The sea or expanse has four quadrants.

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Mod. note -- Encia22

Friends, we spotted two topics about the same subject. As both were well underway when we noticed the duplication, we have merged the later topic by Solvedit, with this one posted earlier.

Hopefully nothing broke in the merger.

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[Anna]

After much study I have to conclude the biblical Eden is not and never was on this Earth... It seems the majority of churches are lying to their members...

No, not necessarily. Not here. When I was in my primary school, I was taught right in the beginning that Adam and Eve didn't really exist and that the whole Genesis book together with Eden story is an allegory. And we were told about it by a priest. Nobody sane will take the Genesis literally, at least in Europe literal interpretation of the Bible is rare.

[FlyersFan]

It's just a creation myth.
A lot of the Old Testament can't be taken literally.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Are we going to discuss the colony spaceship, commonly known as Noah's Ark?

Was it from Mars or some other place 40 days away?

[Roma]

Are we going to discuss the colony spaceship, commonly known as Noah's Ark?

Was it from Mars or some other place 40 days away?

I've also heard Noah lived for 1,000 years.  What happened since then giving that we rarely make 100?  Maybe we are some sort of genetic experiment and the Garden was just really a test lab somewhere.

[Solvedit]

There may have been several gardens of Eden located all over some ancient empire.  

I have posted my speculative hypothesis in its own thread.

[quintessentone]

I mean really, if we are to believe that the writings of Genesis (1-11) are allegorical and are solely meant to interpret or reveal a story or moral meaning, the scribes sure did a poor job because it just doesn't make sense in many ways. There are people who take the Bible literally and others do not.

As for finding the Garden of Eden, scholars have speculated where it may be:

AI:
"Location Theories:

• Mesopotamia: Many scholars believe the Garden of Eden was located in Mesopotamia, the area between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, particularly at the head of the Persian Gulf.  
  

• Other Probes: Other theories include Armenia, the Czech Republic, and even the entire Fertile Crescent.
  
• Inside the Earth: Some theories, like those explored in "The UnXplained," suggest the Garden of Eden might be found inside the Earth.
  

[UltraBudgie]

I have read Cryptonomicon and played Assassin's Creed, therefore I am expert on these subjects.

After much study I have to conclude the biblical Eden is not and never was on this Earth. The fact that the tree of life is in the same place in Genesis and also is in Revelation after all creation is destroyed confirms this. Further yet, the book of Enoch also places this "tree" in the heavenly realm. It seems the majority of churches are lying to their members. This brings into the question the original nature of man before the fall. There is a lot of puzzle pieces that can be put together when this is realized. Take note that the four rivers in Genesis are actually the foundations of all creation . They are the four chief angels Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, and Raphael. Upon them the great expanse rests. They have armies under them, these are the eyes in the wheels. The sea or expanse has four quadrants.

The truth of history is written in our selves.

[Solvedit]

There may be linguistic clues from historical names and a language which is still similar to the language which all Europeans and West Asians used to speak 5000 years ago.  

The languages of Europe, West Asia, and northern India are almost all based on an extinct language called Proto-Indo-European which was apparently spread all over western and central Eurasia by a people called the Yamnaya because they left their genetic signature everywhere their language inspired the local languages.  

Despite not primarily being Yamnayan, Lithuanians still speak an ancient language similar to Proto-Indo-European.  There are Yamnaya among all the people of Europe but Europeans including Lithuanians are primarily descended from previous migrations into Europe.  

The Yamnaya expansion is thought by archaeologists to not have been violent but may have been caused by their resistance to the bubonic plague.  PBS Nova claimed 90% of Europe and West Asia's previous inhabitants were wiped out during the Yamnaya expansion 5000 years ago but there are no signs of warfare from this time.  

Anyway, "paradise" is a Persian word.  Persian at the time might have sounded a lot more like Proto-Indo-European than modern Farsi.  It sounds like "porų daržas" or "garden of pairs." 

Perhaps some of those ancient kingdoms used slaves to keep minions educated but controllable?  What if they used slaves to teach their people how to..."ištart" or to speak or pronounce words? Herodotus was wrong about most of the details about the worship of Ishtar but the priests of Ishtar may have been slaves who worked in a "garden of pairs," feeling no pain or even the slightest need, teaching the king's minions basic skills. 

Perhaps the king knew of some primitive way to take away rapport with slaves and thus kept his minions in line?  Because if they didn't do what he said, he'd induce his "gods" or educational slaves to do some form of "proto-yoga" and break their rapport with their people, and suddenly, the king's minions would find themselves unable to even talk to each other clearly?

Perhaps the people had been told their slaves actually were gods or priests of gods from Nibiru?  Who had floated to Earth just like those sweet sweet pineapples which would drift to shore every now and then after a storm?  Perhaps they had hats like priests of An, which had cow horns arranged like pineapples?  Or, as some people would say, "Ananasai?" Corrupted into "Annunaki?" 

The king who started the worship of An was called "Gudea" which is the ancient name of the Gothic people.  Perhaps he was an interloper or a slave?  Yes, a king can be a slave.  He has to get to know his people disgustingly well, then he can tell them what they're doing wrong.  

Anyway, what if two people involved in teaching some ancient kingdom's minions how to speak had realized they were being exploited and were just ordinary folk?  What if they got kicked out of their "porų daržas" and had to get ordinary jobs?  Remember, at one point everyone in Europe and West Asia could probably speak a language descended from Yamnayan, or Proto-Indo-European.  Maybe after they left the service of the king, they recovered their former ancestral tongue?  In other words, they need not have been from the land of the Goths.  They could have been locals who were caught up in some ancient kingdom.  Basque, Finnish, Hebrew, and Welsh languages are unrelated to Proto-Indo-European, for example.  

What if, generations later, one of their descendants studied spirituality and figured out how to keep a human soul together and prevent or reduce unwanted rapport?  What if he had been employed in the manufacture of statues of his relatives, the remaining priests and priestesses of An?  Which he then freed with his epiphanies?  Suddenly, they would have lost much of their verbal ability and started to.....babble?

The conclusion is that there could have been a "paradise" in every larger village of whichever ancient empire is being written about, or perhaps just one in the capital.  Perhaps Babylon?

[Solvedit]

I mean really, if we are to believe that the writings of Genesis (1-11) are allegorical and are solely meant to interpret or reveal a story or moral meaning, the scribes sure did a poor job because it just doesn't make sense in many ways. There are people who take the Bible literally and others do not.

Perhaps the people whom it was for know in their bones what it means?