The Patterson-Gimlin Footage.

[putnam6]

Yeah but a couple of things first I appreciate the discussion, I can't sleep and have been up all night. LOL, I can get wordy and go off on a tangent. You know when you have been sick a couple of days and you wish you would just croak and then you feel better

Regardless Im not married to the suit question one way or another. It's just a guilty pleasure, I went and saw The Legend of Boggy Creek at the theaters it always stuck with me, then I saw In Search of with Mr Spock LOL it stuck even more in this 6 year old kid's mind

To be honest, Ive read more about Bigfoot than a man my age should have, and have heard a lot of theories, one of the most plausible fake suit theories that resonated with me, was that it was well known Patterson had money issues IIRC just wanted to get money for more expeditions and didn't realize how big the video would blow up. He just thought it would be dismissed mostly, but he might be able to get a sponsor for his trips 

It's one of the reasons I signed up for the Bigfoot Forum.com It is full of believers but it's got its skeptics too, which leads to knowledgeable discussions. Let's just put it this way quite a few people have put in lots of time and effort over the years with zero chance for financial renumeration. 

Funny seeing Forrest Tucker and Larry Storch used to watch F Troop all the time  LOL that gorilla was shorter than Larry BTW another California legend, Forrest Tucker had big feet among other appendages

http://www.themunnsreport.com/tmr%20firs...alysis.pdf

[Kurokage]

The trouble is dozens of people have claimed to be the man who wore the suit in the footage, and costumer Phillip Morris claimed to have designed and created the creature suit, but the details of their accounts often conflict and none of them have brought forward definitive proof to debunk the film yet. Thats why I think the footage will always have its beleivers and unbelievers.


https://wildmanofthewoods.com/blog/unvei...thenticity

Bill Munns, a recognized expert in special effects and a creature suit fabricator, in his book "When Roger Met Patty," leans towards the film's authenticity. Munns' analysis, based on the creature's anatomy, movement, and the challenges of creating a convincing costume in the 1960s, adds significant weight to the argument for authenticity.

[VulcanWerks]

Bigfoot is a cultural phenomenon/legend in the PNW.

On the one hand, we have a number of credible people who have reported seeing “Bigfoot” or “something” in the woods. There’s also the foot prints that have been found for a long time.

On the other hand, I think the PG footage that really kicked off Bigfoot mania is a hoax. It’s the butt that makes me say this is a guy in a suit. I think it’s a high quality hoax/suit but then again it’s far enough away that it wouldn’t need to be perfect.

Here’s a video of a gorilla walking:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYzogbTs0w

If you think about how most bi-pedal creatures move there’s some movement go the butt via the hips. Perhaps Bigfoot’s physiology is different - and I can’t prove it’s not - but I also can’t prove it is.

All-in, I wouldn’t be shocked at all if there are “creatures” or oddities in the woods or have existed previously. Bigfoot - or something like it - may well exist. However, I don’t think this footage is the real deal.

Lastly, and I can’t find the case I’m referencing, I recall there was a story in the last 25 years or so where “something” was in the woods near a fairly inhabited area. This prompted a response of the feds coming in and closing down the area, blocking off the woods, military personnel had no logos and all black uniforms and some people were going in/out of the woods in hazmat suits. This was all on the heels of a resident (or perhaps residents) observing something very odd. To me, that case was a far more compelling argument that “Bigfoot”, or something akin to it, exists.

[Maxmars]

It always struck me as weird.

On the one hand I can understand that some people are inclined to tittering glee over 'fooling' everybody and hoaxing something.  It's a vanity/ego thing.  And often it is very much funny.  Presuming no one gets hurt.

But to dedicate oneself to a life surrounding the continuation of the hoax seems more like an obsession, a passion, a life-long 'hobby', or a genuine 'job.'

It seems unreasonable to point at one guy, or even two, (or three and four) and say "They hoaxed us" when their is no way on earth they could possibly account for the literal thousands of sighting and encounters across the globe over decades and decades.  It has similarity with crop-circle phenomena in that regard.

I feel the jury is still, ultimately, "out" on the potential for a relatively large hominid creature surviving over time, undiscovered... but that is not to say that some might not find it profitable or desirable to exploit such a belief.

The bigfoot suit controversy seems superfluous... as it can only address a single instance (or two) of the story.  It seems a lot of effort, for a chuckle here or there.

[Kurokage]

Here's a recent update about the Patterson/Gimlin film by Youtuber 'Cabin in the Woods'
I found it interesting with some new details about the quality of the original film, and the new attempts at cleaning and digitizing. A talk about a costume with Bill Munns with a few little twists.

[Solvedit]

...we now know that the homonid family tree is more like a bush, and that many other homonids existed along side us as we evolved into Homosapians, so could another upright species on the verge of extinction be out there?

There would have to be a large population of them somewhere.  That is almost unimaginable in North America.

[Kurokage]

There would have to be a large population of them somewhere.  That is almost unimaginable in North America.

That's very true but the US does have 52,000 square miles or 3.4% of it's total land area of National Parks (not including plain old wilderness).
https://nationalparksassociation.org

[andy06shake]

As far as I'm aware the footage hasn't been clearly debunked or confirmed.

Some people believe it's real proof of Bigfoot, pointing to the movement and muscle detail as just too good to be fake.

Others believe it could be a dude in a costume.

I think some one called Bob Herironimus claimed he wore the suit, but they never showed solid proof that he did.

Still a mystery. 

[Solvedit]

That's very true but the US does have 52,000 square miles or 3.4% of it's total land area of National Parks (not including plain old wilderness).
https://nationalparksassociation.org

People do go there to study nature or recreate or search for missing hikers.  They may even practice looking for evidence of the presence of known species.

[WallFlowerActive]

It’s the butt that makes me say this is a guy in a suit. I think it’s a high quality hoax/suit but then again it’s far enough away that it wouldn’t need to be perfect.

If I remember from ATS, if you use a flash comparator on the legs, the muscles move like fabric swishing.  Not lot muscles flexing and contracting.