The NWO seemed to morph from a neo-fascist to communist conspiracy

[DBCowboy]

I think you are mistaken. Those are the goals of the extreme right.


The largest and most powerful communist alliance of countries was a republic - the "United Soviet Socialist Republic" (USSR).

Being a republic isn't necessarily a good thing.

There are some very stable, peaceable, prosperous, free and fair governments around the world, and throughout history, that aren't, or haven't been, republics.

You can get information on all sorts of things like that on the internet if you look for it.

The CIA World Factbook used to a fairly good resource. Unfortunately it has recently been shuttered by the Trump administration, despite its usefulness in education.

Knowledge is the enemy!

Spotlighting The World Factbook as We Bid a Fond Farewell

I can't tell if this is a satire post or you've inhaled too much brain-damaging substances.

I'm praying for the former.

[quintessentone]

If it ever needs to be. 

“They” know who they are.

It does seem to be the case now what with all those data 'breaches'(?) happening. It makes we wonder why authorities allow the dark web data dumps to continue, or is this perhaps a conspiracy theory I need to look deeper into?

[quintessentone]

Again, I don't see a coordinated "NWO."  I do see the usual (from time immemorial) actions of the ultra wealthy trying to shape things to their liking, but each rich family has different goals than other rich families.

I'm looking more so at the tech giants who now rule the world and act like shareholders in their governments. Whatever name we want to label it...it all amounts to 'not by nor for the people'.

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"'I’m from the technocracy and I’m here to help' - how tech bros are taking over the worldThe influence of billionaire tech leaders on Donald Trump may only be an early glimpse of their real intentions - the end of the nation-state concept as we know it""When I first saw the photos of all of the tech broligarchy lined up behind Donald Trump on his inauguration day something struck me as off. I couldn't figure out what was bothering me until now.

I realised they didn't just look like very powerful attendees, they looked much more like very powerful shareholders in government - and unelected ones at that. We can see today where that power translates directly into US government policymaking with the reductions on certain tech tariffs from China."

"The 20[sup]th[/sup] century nation-state will starve to death as its tax revenues decline,” Or, as Mark Zuckerberg puts it, “Companies not countries”."

"Perhaps they will spend their time in the fantasy worlds created by technologists, doomscrolling endlessly on Insta and other platforms while being paid by the government via UBI. This is what the author Jonathan Taplin tackles in his book The end of reality when he says “That is my greatest fear: that enchanted by the magic of the Technocrats’ immutable money, infinite frontiers, eternal life we will sleep through a right-wing revolution and wake up to find our democracy gone and our children being turned into Meta cyborgs”."

"Ronald Reagan once said the nine most terrifying words in the English language are, “I'm from the government and I'm here to help.” So if you hear, “I’m from the technocracy and I’m here to help,” you won't be surprised if it's our new form of government."

https://www.computerweekly.com/opinion/I...-the-world

[quintessentone]

I think you are mistaken. Those are the goals of the extreme right.


The largest and most powerful communist alliance of countries was a republic - the "United Soviet Socialist Republic" (USSR).

Being a republic isn't necessarily a good thing.

There are some very stable, peaceable, prosperous, free and fair governments around the world, and throughout history, that aren't, or haven't been, republics.

You can get information on all sorts of things like that on the internet if you look for it.

The CIA World Factbook used to a fairly good resource. Unfortunately it has recently been shuttered by the Trump administration, despite its usefulness in education.

Knowledge is the enemy!

Spotlighting The World Factbook as We Bid a Fond Farewell

I recall reading within the philosophies genre that no type of government reigns supreme, although they never had to consider the new rise of Tech Oligarchy, whereas we do need to consider it now. However, I see similarities with the Roman republic's rise and fall.

And I was disheartened to have had to be forced to read that member's trash post to you probably due to laziness or glee of insulting others when they have shown to be capable of putting together what somewhat passes as intelligent refutes; this behaviour drags DI down.

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"The Roman Republic (founded 509 BC) and Greek city-states like Athens represented more complex iterations, utilizing checks and balances and elected officials to manage expanding territories.  However, these systems often faltered due to internal inequality, the exploitation of provinces, and the concentration of wealth among elites.  In Rome, the failure to address land inequality and the militarization of politics led to a breakdown of constitutional norms, allowing warlords to seize power. 

Ultimately, republics tend to fall when they fail to adapt to imperial scale and when entrenched elites undermine institutional integrity.  The Roman model collapsed into autocracy because its political structures could not sustainably govern a vast empire, leading to the rise of the Roman Empire under Augustus. Conversely, republics that maintain regular civic engagement, balanced power structures, and responsive reforms are better positioned to avoid the historical cycle of decay into oligarchy or tyranny"

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-cont...-and-fail/

[ANNEE]

I’m really enjoying this conversation. A real discussion of different viewpoints. 

Thanks everyone ?

I can see some type of world government. Where actions that affect the entire globe work toward a solution. Like The Hague an international court.

[quintessentone]

I’m really enjoying this conversation. 

A real discussion of different viewpoints. 

Thanks everyone ?

Do the interactions on this thread push all the anthropology buttons? 

""Anthropology is the science which tells us that people are the same the whole world over—except when they are different," and Clifford Geertz's reflection on the discipline's breadth: "Younger anthropologists have the notion that anthropology is too diverse.  The number of things done under the name of anthropology is just infinite; you can do anything and call it anthropology."" (LLM)

[ANNEE]

Do the interactions on this thread push all the anthropology buttons? 

""Anthropology is the science which tells us that people are the same the whole world over—except when they are different," and Clifford Geertz's reflection on the discipline's breadth: "Younger anthropologists have the notion that anthropology is too diverse.  The number of things done under the name of anthropology is just infinite; you can do anything and call it anthropology."" (LLM)

I added to my post. 

Now you’re gonna make me think so early this morning LOL. 

Interesting approach.

[quintessentone]

I added to my post. 

Now you’re gonna make me think so early this morning LOL. 

Interesting approach.

I already see the so-called middle world powers gaining autonomy and power so let's see how far they can go or if they can navigate and/or control the Tech Oligarchy world takeover.

"Middle power governments are political entities in states that possess significant economic, diplomatic, and military influence—ranking below superpowers and great powers but above small states.  These governments are characterized by a normative foreign policy that prioritizes multilateralism, coalition-building, and the maintenance of a rules-based international order rather than unilateral action or hegemony. 
Key characteristics of middle power governments include:

• Diplomatic Behavior: They act as mediators, bridge-builders, and "moral actors" in international disputes, often pursuing "niche diplomacy" in areas like human security, arms control, and environmental protection. 
  
• Strategic Autonomy: In the current fragmenting global order, many middle power governments (such as those in India, Indonesia, Brazil, and Turkey) practice multi-alignment, refusing to fully align with either the US or China and instead leveraging relationships with multiple partners to advance national interests. 
  
• Institutional Engagement: They heavily rely on and seek to reform international institutions (like the UN and WTO) to ensure global stability, often forming mini-lateral groupings to achieve specific policy goals more effectively than in large, deliberative multilateral bodies.
  
• Domestic Values: While traditionally associated with liberal democracies like Canada and Australia, the group now includes emerging powers that may have different domestic structures but still share a commitment to national sovereignty and non-intervention in international forums." (LLM)
  

See that last part, non-intervention in international forums...this is American traditional Republican ideology also certain factions of MAGA. Could certain individual states of the USA break away and join these new world coalitions? Why not?

[ANNEE]

I’m definitely gonna have to think about all that. 

What came to mind (not sure why) was Russia/Ukraine.  Smaller “territories” breaking away declaring independence. 

Seems backwards in terms of global order. 

Back later.

[chr0naut]

I recall reading within the philosophies genre that no type of government reigns supreme, although they never had to consider the new rise of Tech Oligarchy, whereas we do need to consider it now. However, I see similarities with the Roman republic's rise and fall.

And I was disheartened to have had to be forced to read that member's trash post to you probably due to laziness or glee of insulting others when they have shown to be capable of putting together what somewhat passes as intelligent refutes; this behaviour drags DI down.

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"The Roman Republic (founded 509 BC) and Greek city-states like Athens represented more complex iterations, utilizing checks and balances and elected officials to manage expanding territories.  However, these systems often faltered due to internal inequality, the exploitation of provinces, and the concentration of wealth among elites.  In Rome, the failure to address land inequality and the militarization of politics led to a breakdown of constitutional norms, allowing warlords to seize power. 

Ultimately, republics tend to fall when they fail to adapt to imperial scale and when entrenched elites undermine institutional integrity.  The Roman model collapsed into autocracy because its political structures could not sustainably govern a vast empire, leading to the rise of the Roman Empire under Augustus. Conversely, republics that maintain regular civic engagement, balanced power structures, and responsive reforms are better positioned to avoid the historical cycle of decay into oligarchy or tyranny"

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-cont...-and-fail/

It seems to me that the USA is loosing its 'federation of individual States' and is becoming a bloc. It is supposed to be the "United States of America". The Constitution was a compromise that allowed the States to act as a nation, but did not deny State rights and autonomy.

The 2nd Amendment was, from its entire text and from the Federalist Papers, clearly all about individual States retaining military autonomy, against the possible 'tyranny' of some threat to the sovereignty of the individual States, and this included the threat from an oppressive federal central government.

The Federation is now clearly in the process of oppressing the individuality and constituency of the people of those Sates. The sending in of militarized federal forces, against the wishes and direction of the State governance, is an unequivocal sign.

Climates, resources, language, population density, economy, ethnic mix and tradition are different for the individual States, and it makes sense that for a fairer representation of the needs and wants of the governed people, that smaller localized governance is superior for the the representation of the local people.

Alliance and federation also makes sense but for the whole system to work, but the rights and sovereignty of the States should not be negated.

The USA is an alliance of 52 existing governments, most that pre-existed the Congress and the Constitution. Don't forget that!