The Mandela Effect

[UltraBudgie]

We've known that there were dust clouds on Mars since 1809. Source: Wikipedia

Those are water clouds. Oops I forgot my sources for those pictures:

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap241203.html
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-curi...s-on-mars/

There are also dust clouds and dry-ice clouds where it's cold enough.

I just seem to remember from the 90s the big thing being "does mars have water?" and then it was "ooh look it does but its all trapped in the poles under the surface" and now it's right there floating in the sky where presumably an orbiting spectrometer could have seen it decades ago.

Of course, my memory may be inaccurate.

[ArMaP]

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now there are clouds on mars why are there clouds on mars I don't remember clouds on mars and the sky is blue what what okay nasa

Yes, there are clouds on Mars, they always have been, and if you had seen my versions of the NASA photos you would have seen blue skies.



I first posted the image above in 2007.

It's a question of colour correction, if we correct the orange tint given by the dust in the air we get a more "natural" look.

The same happens on Earth when there is too much dust in the air, like this extreme example:

[ArMaP]

I just seem to remember from the 90s the big thing being "does mars have water?" and then it was "ooh look it does but its all trapped in the poles under the surface" and now it's right there floating in the sky where presumably an orbiting spectrometer could have seen it decades ago.

When the ice on the poles melts the water turns to vapour and creates clouds, like on Earth, only much thinner and only at high altitude.

[BeTheGoddess]

Ok space buffs, what arm of the galaxy are we in?. This is a major ME for space buffs, many referencing Carl Saguns Cosmos that to them "had changed".

[Essan]

Fact:  people's memories are far more fallible than they appreciate

Fact: it's very easy to implant a false memory in someone without them realising.

I first became aware of this in the early 1990s.   This was long before the internet.   But a topic of conversation in the pub was how the BBC children's TV cartoon, Captain Pugwash, got away with the characters name: Master Bates,  Roger the Cabin Boy,  Seaman Staines.    All very risque!   And when we heard the names we all remembered them.   No-one had actually watched Captain Pugwash in many many years, but we'd seen it in our childhood and the names all rang bells .....   Except they were all false.

The reality is that no such characters ever existed.   

Yet even today, I remember those names rather than the real ones!

[ArMaP]

Ok space buffs, what arm of the galaxy are we in?. This is a major ME for space buffs, many referencing Carl Saguns Cosmos that to them "had changed".

I don't know the name of the arm we are in, but the man's name was Carl Sagan, not Sagun.

[CCoburn]

Fact:  people's memories are far more fallible than they appreciate

Fact: it's very easy to implant a false memory in someone without them realising.

This is all very well understood, and it also appears to be a "fact" that some of these ME's are quite profound for particular individuals and often times the same ME spans into the countless. I do believe that many are a product of false/fallible memory, but the question remains: are they all? It doesn't feel that way to me but feels more like there is something more at play here. Something that goes beyond the false and fallible.

The relegating of sensibility with some of these changes also hints at something "more", but any of the changes, if in fact that is what they are, would give clues to the very nature and fabric of reality – that it is not as concrete as we perceive it.

Your ME seems legit, but I myself am not familiar with any of it.

[Byrd]

This is all very well understood, and it also appears to be a "fact" that some of these ME's are quite profound for particular individuals and often times the same ME spans into the countless. I do believe that many are a product of false/fallible memory, but the question remains: are they all? It doesn't feel that way to me but feels more like there is something more at play here. Something that goes beyond the false and fallible.

The relegating of sensibility with some of these changes also hints at something "more", but any of the changes, if in fact that is what they are, would give clues to the very nature and fabric of reality – that it is not as concrete as we perceive it.

Your ME seems legit, but I myself am not familiar with any of it.

I think that if you quizzed each one of them, you would find that their memories are NOT infallible.  In other words, ask them what the weather was like 85 days ago.  Ask them about a commercial they saw on the web two days ago.  Ask them the date for the last election.

Either EVERYone is constantly slipping into other realities that are somehow very consistent in other ways with their own life... or memory is fallible and can be influenced by beliefs.

[UltraBudgie]

This is all very well understood, and it also appears to be a "fact" that some of these ME's are quite profound for particular individuals and often times the same ME spans into the countless. I do believe that many are a product of false/fallible memory, but the question remains: are they all? It doesn't feel that way to me but feels more like there is something more at play here. Something that goes beyond the false and fallible.

The relegating of sensibility with some of these changes also hints at something "more", but any of the changes, if in fact that is what they are, would give clues to the very nature and fabric of reality – that it is not as concrete as we perceive it.

This is true of course, and I would venture to say that for the majority of experiencers, those for whom the subject is important, the ME is actually a fairly minor component of the reasons they have the worldview that reality is not as concrete as perceived. Materialists who observe the phenomena see individuals who are so untethered that they confuse reality and imagination, reenforcing each other's delusions. However, those who have had experiences that awaken a perception beyond the material tend to see the Mandela Effect as more of a minor and usually harmless reminder not to get too caught up in the illusion. The symbology and download effects can be especially hilarious to observe, if you move beyond the fruitless and childish instinct to impose a determinable paradigm. Same with exasperation about perceived gaslighting. Gotta just smile and let it be, man.

Even to materialists, the subject should be fascinating, as it hints at a coherence of unseen deliberation in misinformation and psychological warfare, if it is a purposefully induced effect, or an interesting psychosocial commonality of the exact particular ways memory is fellable, if not. Unfortunately I believe one of the major reasons there is not more rigorous investigation of the subject is that very few serious scientists want to be mocked by their colleagues for entertaining such moonbeam wingnuttery. Sad, but perhaps that's for the best. One might think it say something about the institution of modern science, and yes, but I think it's deeper -- human nature in the compulsion to build determinable models, and a two-edge sword of science itself in its regard and denial of unknown unknowns.

Anyway I forget what I wanted to say.

[UltraBudgie]

One would think that officially licensed merchandise would at least get the quote from the movie correct. Yes I know there are obscure book versions where it does say mirror mirror. Also please note the tasty meal in the background. Yum.