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Just to add onto my last post, in Titus 3:5 it is made clear that it is impossible for anyone, rich or poor, to enter the kingdom of heaven based upon their own merit, their own worthiness or their own goodness but through salvation.
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(11-04-2025, 03:30 PM)Moon68 Wrote: Why does it always have to be framed that in order to be wealthy somebody was greedy and exploited people? I've never understood that position. Wealth isn't finite, because one has others do not. It's always struck me as the position of the envious.
And the often misquoted:
That quote refers to the impossibility of a rich man to buy his way to heaven instead of believing in God. If a man is refuses to give up his wealth to give his soul to God, then:
As I said earlier, there is a difference between being wealthy and rich.
People can work hard and make good decisions to become wealthy.
Rich is something different. And no, not all rich people are bad.
I wont debate the semantics of the verse, and how it can be interpreted since it was originally translated from Greek. A lot of nuance can be lost in translation.
But a lot of the Bible has talked about the sin of excess, see the deadly sins.
I don’t think it’s a secret that a lot of CEOs, executives, and businessmen are absolutely ruthless.
Again, I have a different take on this if the context is religious or societal. Societally I don’t see an issue with rich people. But I think the Bible is pretty clear that excess can be sin, even with eating.
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Mom used to say, there's two kinds of people:
Those who like having money, and those who like spending money.
I can barely think of anything to spend money on.
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(11-03-2025, 11:55 PM)midicon Wrote: At least you now have more to give away and if you are a good person that can only be a good thing!
Once in a blue moon, I will buy a lottery ticket and have no real desire to buy anything. I would give the money away to those I love and good causes. That would be great!
Suprised a grammer nazi never pulled me up for the way I spelled root lol . Charity will do well out of this as the family member was a prepper , but this will take me weeks of hard graft minimum.
You and me are the same with the lottery as I have only bought 5 or so tickets in the last 10 years but would not have a clue what to do with all that money and we would have great fun giving it all away to needy people and organisations
Never argue with a idiot as you will get dragged down to his level and beaten with his vast experience
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(11-04-2025, 06:35 PM)Wild Bill Wrote: Suprised a grammer nazi never pulled me up for the way I spelled root lol . Charity will do well out of this as the family member was a prepper , but this will take me weeks of hard graft minimum.
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Honestly I noticed it and thought... "Huh.. 'route,' ...you know what? That works too."
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(11-04-2025, 11:37 AM)Moon68 Wrote: Not true.
I would make more brisket because I learned how make it for myself therefore all my digits remain intact 
That's the difference between makers and takers and moochers.
Oh I see your position is to make “the love of money” about the have not’s desire for it, therefore they are after your share. Not so, it’s the ones that already have more that want more, including yours. Because those already content with just enough have no desire for more.
like a greedy person who’s appetite can never be satiated, the extremely wealthy can never have enough money.
You should watch or preferably read A Christmas Carol, there is a moral to the story.
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11-05-2025, 06:12 AM
This post was last modified: 11-05-2025, 06:14 AM by UltraBudgie. 
There is something beautiful about money. How it can measure everything. Even love, in practice, is the value love brings to your life. The material world make sense, when seen as money. What is worth-while? If you measure worth with money, you always know. Sure, it's not everything (maybe!), but it's so much!
It's the same amazement I've seen tech-heads revel in when looking at their computer code. It just describes things so perfectly! If only everything could be so clear.
What's not to love?
It's the epitome of material infatuation. I guess living life with that alone as your North Star— well, some consider that evil. I wonder why.
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Before it was freely available, you dont want to know what Oxford Uni Press were charging for this, but this will give you more questions than answere
https://dn790008.ca.archive.org/0/items/...%20red.pdf
The Legal Aspects of Money.
Take your time, its worth it.
I was not here.
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11-05-2025, 08:42 AM
This post was last modified: 11-05-2025, 08:44 AM by Moon68. 
(11-05-2025, 06:01 AM)SurferSoul Wrote: Oh I see your position is to make “the love of money” about the have not’s desire for it, therefore they are after your share. Not so, it’s the ones that already have more that want more, including yours. Because those already content with just enough have no desire for more.
like a greedy person who’s appetite can never be satiated, the extremely wealthy can never have enough money.
You should watch or preferably read A Christmas Carol, there is a moral to the story.
Oh, I see your position is about the hypocritical enviousness of the "Soak the Rich" crowd comrade.
Allow me to restate, wealth is not some finite pie that requires one to take from another in order to have more.
The extremely wealthy invest heavily.
A byproduct of investment is profit.
Money makes money.
You should watch a class, or preferably read, an economics book. There's valuable knowledge there for your benefit.
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(11-04-2025, 08:57 AM)Moon68 Wrote: I actually think Ayn Rand put it fairly succinctly: Quote:“So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?” Ayn Rand seems to be a idiot. It's the love of money that is the root of all evil. And seems to be about the only thing the bible was correct on. The root of money is the government. The same government that told people to take part of your brisket. Since there is only so much brisket in circulation. And 20% hold 80% of the brisket and bitch because, the 80% want more than the 20% of the brisket.
The truth is. Everyone can not have plenty of money. Otherwise no one will be desperate enough to work for not enough to get by on, so someone else can live high on the hog. When you don't mind others struggling and or suffering, because you want to have lots of money. I would consider that, the love of money. And the bible considers that the root of all evil.
Quote:https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%...thy%206:10
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