11-03-2025, 10:59 AM
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11-03-2025, 11:09 AM
(11-03-2025, 10:59 AM)FlyersFan Wrote: .. which is now bankrupt. Not even a wire brush and Dettol could scrub away that stain from humanity's skin.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
11-03-2025, 11:18 AM
This post was last modified: 11-03-2025, 11:59 AM by cherokeetroy.
Just like with anything, repeated use over time develops dependency
It was dangerous for societies to develop dependency on money because it's not even real It's a fake, centralized debt system created to regulate and control When money becomes digitized it's game over for privacy and individual freedom 
11-03-2025, 11:24 AM
It's all about "accepting" a symbol for "trust."
And then insidiously allowing that acceptance to take the field as a "necessary evil." Which is social-speak for "a canned excuse to devalue morals, and lift greed as something that must be accepted as 'natural.' Love of money... is it not the avaricious hoarding and retaining with a death-grip attitude about wealth? Is it not about internalizing the material, (the worldly) exalting it above anything else? Isn't this about the utter lunacy of hoarding money? And haven't we made it the power above any individual on Earth? Phrases like "Wealth = Free speech" or "Justice flows for the wealthy." More is better, greed is good, take all you can, give nothing back. Are we seeing the "Love of money?" Are there those who literally worship wealth... and have ritualized routine and practice in a perpetual act of sacrifice to the God of their faith? Maybe... But even so, I want to own what I own in reality, not some virtual symbol... dependent on a third-party's good-will. I hate money... but I do live in the world... Let Caesar play with his toys... IF you live in his house. Peace. 
11-03-2025, 12:28 PM
I don't actually understand this aversion to "loving money" from a modern perspective... As others have stated, the idea of money, in and of itself, is that money is purely a medium of exchange. Regardless of the currency, all it is or rather should be, is a lighter promissory note that takes the place of something else of equal value. It is just a transactional symbol of buying power... and as such, because it is merely a symbol, its only value is the value we agree to give it.
As such, it is all hype. It is all bullshit. 1 Bitcoin or even 1000 Bitcoin won't feed your family if a solar flare knocks out the internet... 1 lb or even 1 ton of gold won't provide you with the same nutritional value as the same weight of potatoes, or beef, or grain should the market collapse... No, I believe that the sin being discussed isn't about "money" at all, but rather the idea that chasing hype is more worthwhile than seeking true value.
"In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces".
-Zapp Brannigan
11-03-2025, 12:54 PM
So many cultures have brought forth form all advice of the forswearing of wealth lust.
It is of course hyperbolic... but clearly... when people pay to celebrate their wealth... they might be said to have "enough." Often, when these abjurations and admonishments were crafted,... people horded gold in piles... offering tempting targets to each other... and law was just a lofty concept between them. I think its' sound advice... How is it that we are willing to hurt others, for symbolic wealth? Maybe that is idol worship... after all.
11-03-2025, 01:16 PM
(11-03-2025, 12:54 PM)Maxmars Wrote: So many cultures have brought forth form all advice of the forswearing of wealth lust. This. This is specifically what I was alluding to. Idols and symbols are, for the most part, meaningless other than the value we give them. But we are finite entities, and thus any value or attention we give, must inherently take away from something else.
"In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces".
-Zapp Brannigan
11-03-2025, 01:48 PM
(11-03-2025, 12:28 PM)MalevolentTwitch Wrote: I don't actually understand this aversion to "loving money" from a modern perspective... As others have stated, the idea of money, in and of itself, is that money is purely a medium of exchange. Regardless of the currency, all it is or rather should be, is a lighter promissory note that takes the place of something else of equal value. It is just a transactional symbol of buying power... and as such, because it is merely a symbol, its only value is the value we agree to give it. Chasing hype is very true What the chase really entails is the release of those good feeling chemicals --- the rush It's addiction to our own neurochemistry 
11-03-2025, 08:20 PM
This post was last modified: 11-03-2025, 08:25 PM by SurferSoul.
I think what this verse is actually getting at, is being able to be content with the basics, not desiring materialistic things that don’t actually provide anything useful of themselves, excess and being stingy with it, basically not attached to it. The love of money is a wasted love, love should reserved for life.
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