The Individual Versus The Collective

[FlyersFan]

 It's taking a huge leap towards a two-class society, where a small ruling class dictates to the rest of us and they pretend it's Democratic, which it is decidedly not.

^^ That.

It's so obvious.   
Yet the people of NYC don't see it.
What the heck do they teach in the public schools these days?

[DBCowboy]

Collectivism is not voluntary.

[FlyersFan]

Collectivism is not voluntary.

Slam dunk!  
It's slavery to the state.

[Tecate]

I would say, “Ask the Soviet people how collectivism worked for them? Cubans?”

Essentially anyone who had to live in a country where everyone was an equal, but the leaders were “more equal “ and thus were entitled to live larger with access to goods and services that were unobtainable to the regular citizens.

I worked over there right after the wall fell and it was an absolute clusterfuck.
The people were people, absolutely wonderful, but the crap that they had to endure and the bs that they had been told about their society vs what was really happening in the rest of the world was amazing.

Meh, as usual, my 2 pesos…

Tecate

[quintessentone]

I would say, “Ask the Soviet people how collectivism worked for them? Cubans?”

Essentially anyone who had to live in a country where everyone was an equal, but the leaders were “more equal “ and thus were entitled to live larger with access to goods and services that were unobtainable to the regular citizens.

I worked over there right after the wall fell and it was an absolute cluster****.
The people were people, absolutely wonderful, but the crap that they had to endure and the bs that they had been told about their society vs what was really happening in the rest of the world was amazing.

Meh, as usual, my 2 pesos…

Tecate

Let's ask you. How are all your social programs working for you?

[Tecate]

Also, I want to comment here instead of jumping around in different threads, that Budgie had stated in the Republican decision thread to watch out for foreign actors having influence in US politics. Bang on!

I believe that this was a general policy of the World Comintern back in the ‘70s, possibly earlier. To infect the US with splinter groups of communists, using drugs, honeypot scandals, hedonism and the like to divide the country, erode social mores and compromise leadership. It is working…

It was the goal of the top hidden hierarchy to ensure that they stay in power and have the general populace of the entire world as wage slaves. Communism, collectivism, and socialism are cuts of the same cloth. It’s a long game being played out with your slavery being the goal. The Rothschild type elites are the ones who stand to gain the most, as they will always be behind the change. Communism is just the tool.

Jeez I’m starting to sound like DB, looking for commies under the bed…

”Kill a commie for mommy, make Jesus smile”…

Anyhoo, just my 2 pesos…

Tecate

[FlyersFan]

 Communism, collectivism, and socialism are cuts of the same cloth. It’s a long game being played out with your slavery being the goal. 

  Nailed it.   As was said, collectivism isn't voluntary.   It's slavery to the state.  And 'the state' being those few elites at the top ... 'everyone is equal but the elite are more equal'.

[quintessentone]

"We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism."

I'm not going to attribute that quote right now.
I'd like members to read it and let it absorb.
Does it cause a chill to run down your spine?  It should.

Frigidity?  That does not even compute.
The warmth of the collective?   Sorry, no.  Mindless, faceless, amoral drones are not my idea of society.  No soma for me, thanks.

Having grown up with "be all that you can be", I cannot for the life of me like the sentiments of that sentence.
Ayn Rand and Lewis & Clark are turning over in their graves.  So are Ronald Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt, and John F Kennedy.
There would be no USA without that rugged individualism.  Hell, the entire New World would be unexplored.  One could say the author of that quote dislikes the USA and The West and all it stands for.

Without individualism, we might still be sitting in the dark.  Living on feudal lands around the castle.
Hell, maybe that is what TPTB want.

BTW, in case you missed the speech, zohran mamdani uttered that sentence since taking office, pretty much putting a face on his true beliefs.

Such drama. His proposed social democratic programs are the same that other states have successfully implemented. These programs are based on programs that work for the people and which help the people, and of which the people wanted and as most are always being extended, the people want to keep.

[Tecate]

Quintessentone, are you referring to Canada or Mexico? I live in both countries.

Both countries have socialized healthcare, retirement plans etc. All countries have leaders who live far better than the majority of the population of their countries.

Large countries like the 3 in North America will always have regional disparities with different resources and needs. It’s a fact of life. How we choose to ensure that all our fellow citizens have access to the same healthcare and resources to have a modicum of access, freedom and dignity may be different and cost us in taxes, but here in Canada we see it as the right thing to do.

In Mexico people try to ensure that all people have a job and the capability to provide for themselves and their families. Of course there’s always people who want to collect rewards without doing anything to earn them. That’s everywhere in the world.

Mexico is mainly a cash based society, and because of that people go out of their way to not pay taxes. It’s a conundrum for sure, but it also keeps money in the community and fosters more cohesion and creates a tighter neighborhood.

In some respects Mexicans are more capitalist than people in both the US and Canada.

My FIL for instance is likely far more right-wing than some of our fellow posters here on DI.

I sit in the middle. I believe in universal healthcare and education up to grade 12. I think Social Studies, Geography, Math and Science are important for all people to have a basic grasp of, but certain real value things like how to do taxes and how they are distributed etc should be taught as well.

Does that make me a socialist? Hmm. I don’t think so….

Anyway, my 2 pesos…

Tecate

[quintessentone]

Quintessentone, are you referring to Canada or Mexico? I live in both countries.

Both countries have socialized healthcare, retirement plans etc. All countries have leaders who live far better than the majority of the population of their countries.

Large countries like the 3 in North America will always have regional disparities with different resources and needs. It’s a fact of life. How we choose to ensure that all our fellow citizens have access to the same healthcare and resources to have a modicum of access, freedom and dignity may be different and cost us in taxes, but here in Canada we see it as the right thing to do.

In Mexico people try to ensure that all people have a job and the capability to provide for themselves and their families. Of course there’s always people who want to collect rewards without doing anything to earn them. That’s everywhere in the world.

Mexico is mainly a cash based society, and because of that people go out of their way to not pay taxes. It’s a conundrum for sure, but it also keeps money in the community and fosters more cohesion and creates a tighter neighborhood.

In some respects Mexicans are more capitalist than people in both the US and Canada.

My FIL for instance is likely far more right-wing than some of our fellow posters here on DI.

I sit in the middle. I believe in universal healthcare and education up to grade 12. I think Social Studies, Geography, Math and Science are important for all people to have a basic grasp of, but certain real value things like how to do taxes and how they are distributed etc should be taught as well.

Does that make me a socialist? Hmm. I don’t think so….

Anyway, my 2 pesos…

Tecate

Nobody called you a socialist. I asked you how much are you enjoying your social democratic programs?