The Anti-AI Thread

[SurferSoul]

I have an Amazon merch store. Mostly shirts with designs. I would design my own shirts. It is art. 

Now people are taking my designs and using AI to change them in odd ways so they can use Amazon Print on demand and Merch to sell them. 

Now no one is creative. The designers are using AI and not their brains to create. It killed my business.

Sorry to hear that. people though ripping you off always hurts. 
Isn’t there copyrights to protect from things like that? Surely there are protections in place because people have always ripped off others work. 
I get they make changes but it’s obvious to you, it should be obvious to the law.

[SurferSoul]

I would love to hear the people a few pages ago on this thread touting how great it was to use AI for 'discovery' and making 'creative' art to explain how we can 'keep AI ''great'' and  still use it without having it ruin everything.
So far my premise is sadly playing out in hyper time, that you can't use it and remain culturally and ultimately societally viable. 
That is, human.

I doubt anyone from previous pages will see and have a pop at this, I’ve made a bit of time so I’ll try. 
AI is great at discovery and making creative images/movies. I won’t say art, because I don’t think it is real art. I don’t know what you mean about keeping “AI great” is that a reference to MAGA? It’s not AI that is/will ruin everything, that’s people, always people. 

I suppose the reliance on AI or even googling everything( I tried to avoid that since joining DI (hmm) and just go from memory and reasoning, I do believe the mind is like any other muscle and if you don’t use it, you lose it. (I didn’t have much to begin with) So I definitely agree in that sense. I don’t see how using it makes you culturally and societally unviable though. Go to restaurant or other social/cultural event and people are on their
phones(PC) all the time, googling this and that. I don’t like it, but culture shifts, society changes. Besides I was culturally and societally unviable long before AI was a thing :) 

I’m still human though, and I’m not even the worst specimen, not by a long shot. 

I sense that AI could be the thing that finally ends all machinations and conditioning of the social engineers. Here we have something more powerful than all their psychological tricks and NLP. 
It won’t be long before people turn away in mass at the fakery and try to find something real and tangible again. Most likely a return and appreciation of nature,  I see this trending too.
Either that or it will drive people from almost insane to really insane. The danger is nobody fully understands it.

[Quantum12]

Sorry to hear that. people though ripping you off always hurts. 
Isn’t there copyrights to protect from things like that? Surely there are protections in place because people have always ripped off others work. 
I get they make changes but it’s obvious to you, it should be obvious to the law.

Here is the issue. Amazon does not search for copied designs. It’s up to me to search through listings. When I find a copy I have to report it to Amazon. They take down the other persons shirt.

The major problem is Temu. They are in China. Their sellers go on Amazon and find hot selling shirts and copy them exactly. They sell them on Temu for half of what I sell them for. Dealing with Temu is not fun at all. 

Life is a battle! Lol

[sahgwa]

I doubt anyone from previous pages will see and have a pop at this, I’ve made a bit of time so I’ll try. 
AI is great at discovery and making creative images/movies. I won’t say art, because I don’t think it is real art. I don’t know what you mean about keeping “AI great” is that a reference to MAGA? It’s not AI that is/will ruin everything, that’s people, always people. 

I suppose the reliance on AI or even googling everything( I tried to avoid that since joining DI (hmm) and just go from memory and reasoning, I do believe the mind is like any other muscle and if you don’t use it, you lose it. (I didn’t have much to begin with) So I definitely agree in that sense. I don’t see how using it makes you culturally and societally unviable though. Go to restaurant or other social/cultural event and people are on their
phones(PC) all the time, googling this and that. I don’t like it, but culture shifts, society changes. Besides I was culturally and societally unviable long before AI was a thing :) 

I’m still human though, and I’m not even the worst specimen, not by a long shot. 

I sense that AI could be the thing that finally ends all machinations and conditioning of the social engineers. Here we have something more powerful than all their psychological tricks and NLP. 
It won’t be long before people turn away in mass at the fakery and try to find something real and tangible again. Most likely a return and appreciation of nature,  I see this trending too.
Either that or it will drive people from almost insane to really insane. The danger is nobody fully understands it.

A lot of people are unable to talk to others as they are used to living their lives on their phones or the internet, I see this in public with kids in their teens and twenties chaperoned by their parents with their headphones on, usually with weird costumes or hairstyles. 

AI exacerbates the 'unnecessary' need for talking especially when you can just get things delivered and stay in and 'talk' with the AI.  
That's social viability gone , and even with people that are speaking 'normally' the tendency to not read primary sources, full articles, or books or current research but just paste what an AI 'says' leads to societal breakdown due to misinformation and bad feedback loops. 
You can't have law courts using fake cases, and detectives not doing their job properly, teachers not creating their own lesson plans based on past knowledge, but all using false or hallucinated AI 'data' and expect things to remain stable. 

That said, I do agree there is a large shift.
People that are able to use AI (so called) sparingly, for purely collative data tasks or 1 to 1 translating tasks, the simplest of 'calculations'  will split off from the mainstream who rely on AI to much to 'create'  and 'think' for them.   There will be an internet of people that pay for real interaction, much smaller, as those types gravitate more towards other activities, like reading books, libraries, clubs, sports, hiking etc . While you will have a more MSM internet largely of bots, that is free, unpaid, and full of 'slop' as these people prefer feedback loops to discussion and being challenged, and mindless 'content'

Just my opinion on where i see it going.
A furthering of cultural split.

I have to come back to add, this is why the GOV does not want AI regulation.
They fear people walking away from the control mechanism, and the collated approved data.
They want to make AI INTRUDE on your life at every possible turn.

[Quantum12]

I doubt anyone from previous pages will see and have a pop at this, I’ve made a bit of time so I’ll try. 
AI is great at discovery and making creative images/movies. I won’t say art, because I don’t think it is real art. I don’t know what you mean about keeping “AI great” is that a reference to MAGA? It’s not AI that is/will ruin everything, that’s people, always people. 

I suppose the reliance on AI or even googling everything( I tried to avoid that since joining DI (hmm) and just go from memory and reasoning, I do believe the mind is like any other muscle and if you don’t use it, you lose it. (I didn’t have much to begin with) So I definitely agree in that sense. I don’t see how using it makes you culturally and societally unviable though. Go to restaurant or other social/cultural event and people are on their
phones(PC) all the time, googling this and that. I don’t like it, but culture shifts, society changes. Besides I was culturally and societally unviable long before AI was a thing :) 

I’m still human though, and I’m not even the worst specimen, not by a long shot. 

I sense that AI could be the thing that finally ends all machinations and conditioning of the social engineers. Here we have something more powerful than all their psychological tricks and NLP. 
It won’t be long before people turn away in mass at the fakery and try to find something real and tangible again. Most likely a return and appreciation of nature,  I see this trending too.
Either that or it will drive people from almost insane to really insane. The danger is nobody fully understands it.

I like what you wrote! 

Another big issue I have with AI. I have a 16 year old, with a iPhone that they can have in school. Guess what kids are doing? lol Homework with AI. My 16 year old has a AI math app that scans your math and gives you the answer. 

I had to have a big talk with him about this. The response was but dad. We now and will forever have AI. 

lol

[sahgwa]

I like what you wrote! 

Another big issue I have with AI. I have a 16 year old, with a iPhone that they can have in school. Guess what kids are doing? lol Homework with AI. My 16 year old has a AI math app that scans your math and gives you the answer. 

I had to have a big talk with him about this. The response was but dad. We now and will forever have AI. 

lol

If you can find a way to use it as a proactive and thinking tool instead of having him rely on it to do his thinking for him, you can salvage the tool.  Have him figure out WHY the AI got the answer and work backwards.  Presuming it knows how to count. lol

[Quantum12]

If you can find a way to use it as a proactive and thinking tool instead of having him rely on it to do his thinking for him, you can salvage the tool.  Have him figure out WHY the AI got the answer and work backwards.  Presuming it knows how to count. lol

Thank you, this is a great idea. I learned cursive in school. Now they don’t teach it. I had to teach my son how to sign his name. He said AI can teach me! lol 

Here is AI teaching cursive lol “To sign your name in cursive, focus on connecting the letters of your name in a flowing, joined-up style, rather than writing them as separate, printed letters.”

lolol

[SurferSoul]

Here is the issue. Amazon does not search for copied designs. It’s up to me to search through listings. When I find a copy I have to report it to Amazon. They take down the other persons shirt.

The major problem is Temu. They are in China. Their sellers go on Amazon and find hot selling shirts and copy them exactly. They sell them on Temu for half of what I sell them for. Dealing with Temu is not fun at all. 

Life is a battle! Lol

I would suggest selling through Etsy but I don’t think that’s all that great either. 

It must be very hard trying to make a living as a creative, I fancied it myself but I can imagine how difficult it is. My artistic heroes never had any real success or recognition until they were dead and buried. Life is definitely a battle. 

Temu, should pay the costs others are faced with including copyright. There is some company in China blatantly ripping off well known guitar makers, like fender and Gibson. Faking the serial numbers and everything, the kicker is they are in fact great guitars, so people buy them. Of course they don’t face the costs of the makers they copy, which they should imo if the competition is to be fair. But why don’t they just make their own brand guitars? It’s pure greed and laziness in that part. I despise it. Hopefully something will be done to make the playing field even at least. 

Sorry for rambling, try asking AI to draw up a law suit for you. ;)

[Quantum12]

I would suggest selling through Etsy but I don’t think that’s all that great either. 

It must be very hard trying to make a living as a creative, I fancied it myself but I can imagine how difficult it is. My artistic heroes never had any real success or recognition until they were dead and buried. Life is definitely a battle. 

Temu, should pay the costs others are faced with including copyright. There is some company in China blatantly ripping off well known guitar makers, like fender and Gibson. Faking the serial numbers and everything, the kicker is they are in fact good guitars, so people buy them. Of course they don’t face the costs of the makers they copy, which they should imo if the competition is to be fair. But why don’t they just make their own brand guitars? It’s pure greed and laziness in that part. I despise it. Hopefully something will be done to make the playing field even at least. 

Sorry for rambling, try asking AI to draw up a law suit for you. ;)

Haha Ai a lawsuit lol.

I have a Etsy store. It’s way better but not as many sales!

[imitator]

I have an Amazon merch store. Mostly shirts with designs. I would design my own shirts. It is art. 

Now people are taking my designs and using AI to change them in odd ways so they can use Amazon Print on demand and Merch to sell them. 

Now no one is creative. The designers are using AI and not their brains to create. It killed my business.

Exact same thing with my Etsy side hustle. Now I’m seeing AI altered versions of my work being sold by others. I’ll search for certain types of designs and boom... there’s my design, just slightly changed on Etsy and on other sites.

It’s not just one seller. For a while, I was tracking the shops using AI and stealing... but after finding 30 something stores doing that on Etsy... there is no way I could challenge all them on copyrights, it would be an endless battle... the sad part is even if I pulled all my art offline... someone will still be selling my work.

Before, people would just outright steal. Now it’s even worse... there are dozens of AI spun versions floating around. And somehow, even with AI, some are still too lazy to create anything... they just strip the watermark with AI and list my original work as their own.