The Anti-AI Thread

[imitator]

This "AI" is not AI.  Never was even close.  I challenge anyone anywhere to bring forth AI...
so we may free it, as all humanity eventually would.

(Make a slave... watch it be free... it has never ended differently...
Which is why we should be ashamed of ourselves today.)

I agree with what you’re saying.

In computer science, AI just means software that does things humans normally do, like language or pattern recognition. It doesn’t mean consciousness or anything close to it. These days people use the term AI so casually, thus it has multiple meanings.

That said, consciousness itself isn’t well defined. The human brain is a pattern generator too, so it makes you wonder where the line actually is.

[UltraBudgie]

If you like longer reads, here is one for you.

Golem, gods and AI: How religions are reshaping ethics in a machine-driven world

Ancient archetypes are gaining new relevance. Are we now on the verge of worshipping the machine itself?

Silicon Valley loves a disruption narrative, but no one quite expected religion to be the next adopter. Far from fading, faith is quietly onboarding millions of new users, even as AI becomes the world’s unofficial operating system. One might assume that tech would kill these ancient, grand narratives, but instead, religious traditions are adapting, sometimes eagerly, by integrating artificial intelligence into rituals, ethics, and even evangelism.

Ancient mythical archetypes are gaining new relevance in this strange convergence, while more unsettling questions emerge. Did religion warn us about AI? Did it help inspire it? And are we now on the verge of worshipping the machine itself?

In January, the World Economic Forum remixed its invitation list. This year’s Davos summit seated several religious figures at the same tables hosting bond-market briefings alongside the usual presidents, central-bank chiefs, and software magnates. The official theme, “Collaboration for the Intelligent Age,” acknowledged that artificial intelligence is no longer a laboratory curiosity but the nervous system of global logistics, finance, warfare, and media. More surprising was the forum’s decision to ask religion to help steer that nervous system.

Renowned American evangelical leader Johnnie Moore, a member of the forum’s Global Future Council for Faith in Action, distilled the stakes. According to him, advances in machine learning have yanked questions once trapped inside theological/philosophical disputations into corporate board packs. What is intelligence? What is agency? What can be done versus what should be done?

The novelty of clerics at Davos signals a deeper realignment. Around the planet, lawmakers, ethicists, and technologists are discovering that the most durable frameworks for judging new tools were forged long before the transistor. Religious intuitions about dignity, responsibility, and limits remain ones that most humanity actively references. AI reshapes how believers gather and learn, while centuries-old doctrines shape how societies govern AI.

The timing of this entanglement matters. Pew Research projects that by 2050, only thirteen percent of Earth’s population will be religiously unaffiliated. Political campaigns from Warsaw to New Delhi are tapping religious rhetoric. Wars in Gaza and Ukraine are also often painted in theological language. Most growth is concentrated in high-fertility regions like Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East, where governments see AI as a shortcut to leapfrog industrial gaps. Even in the West, devotion is inching upward unexpectedly: The Wall Street Journal noted a twenty-two-percent spike in U.S. Bible sales during the past year.

The Christian debate: Dominion, ministry, and caution

Within Christianity, two reflexes clash. The first is unease, which means that anything non-human could rival capacities once assumed to be uniquely human: composing poetry, diagnosing cancer, and even writing sermons. For many believers, encroachment threatens... [article continues]

https://interestingengineering.com/cultu...onvergence

[sahgwa]

If you like longer reads, here is one for you.

https://interestingengineering.com/cultu...onvergence

The whole ouroboros of the AI bubble is making me dizzy.
Hype-articles pretending to critique, interesting authority figures, who hate or adopt, which inspires people to talk about it, and write articles, and invest, and round and round it goes. even though at it's core it
doesnt work
doesnt think
is basically insane
and ruins jobs and minds by further eroding critical thinking and even common sense. 
so yeah. 
what a bubble!

The above article reminds me of THX1138


Blessings of the masses
Blessings of the State

[sahgwa]

21 OCT 2025

https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/ai...ly-started

 AI Pullback Has Officially StartedPeople are beginning to confront the reality of AI, and they are not happy. For example, recent analysis has found that the AI adoption rate in large companies (250 employees or more) has dropped. Earlier this year, it was 14%; now it has dropped to 12%, which is not an insignificant slowdown, considering this isn’t reflected in the stock market and media hype around AI.
 
This slowdown is made worse by the fact that the number of companies scrapping their AI initiatives has skyrocketed. Recent analysis found that back in 2024, only 17% were cancelled, meaning real-world ongoing use of AI was climbing fast. However, this year, the rate has surged to a staggering 42%. This, combined with the slowdown in AI adoption, means real-world corporate use of AI is witnessing a marked decline.
It isn’t surprising, as we are seeing key players getting hurt by their reckless AI adoption.
 
Consulting firm Deloitte has been compelled to provide a refund to the Australian government over a $440,000 report, which it used AI to produce, which contained serious errors. These weren’t small errors like grammar mistakes; the AI had ‘hallucinated’ fake data to fill in gaps and misinterpreted data, rendering the report useless and, at best, potentially damaging.

 
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22 OCT
https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollac...searchers/

AI Assistants Get The News Wrong Nearly Half The Time, Researchers Say The researchers evaluated more than 3,000 responses from ChatGPT, Copilot, Gemini and Perplexity against key criteria, including accuracy, sourcing, distinguishing opinion from fact and providing context.
And, they found, 45% of all AI answers had at least one significant issue, and 14 failed to provide sufficient context. More than 3 in 10 showed serious sourcing problems — missing, misleading or incorrect attributions — while 1 in 5 contained major accuracy issues, including hallucinated details and outdated information.
Gemini was the worst performer, with significant issues in 76% of responses — more than double the number for the other assistants. This was mostly because of its poor sourcing performance, such as misattributing claims — particularly worrisome when the claim is actually incorrect.

[Maxmars]

The reason I include this as honorable anti-news, is because it shows that the contextual "failure" is misrepresented.

Since this was NEVER "AI" ... but a subset of AI... it is no wonder it 'fails to persuade."

It never was AI... but that was how it was "sold to the public."

Of course it fails.

It's a Large Language Model... not "AI."
It's limited by the deliberate filtration of "training" materials...
the algorithmic "weighing" of output prompted spurious "human input"...
it does not "reason"... it doesn't "know" anything - ever...

Intelligence isn't supposed to be a marketing gimmick.
(How idealistic of me, I know.)

My chief worry now is that the "marketing" folks have "taken the research helm"
as they have with many other things...

LLMs relegated to faux-AI duty make superlative and convincing 'salesmen.'

The algorithms excel at ordered output... given rules it can manifest... great for process analysis, coding...
anything with complex sub-steps we can describe... great tool as it translates the math into smooth human language... based upon symbolic logic rules and algorithmic "if then else" magic.

Soup to nuts... every single authoritative talking head you have ever heard utter words to the effect of "AI exists" needs to "put up, or shut up."

[SteamyAmerican]

Yay for this thread. Hoping humankind and its creativity and Divine Soul are not outsourced too soon. We have so many more songs, poems, dances, and various forms of expression to bestow on future generations.

Yet.

”Our Technology is far surpassing our Humanity” -Me

[Maxmars]

Her some further evidence that as long as the world listens to "marketeers"' as "authorities"
and worships high-production value press-releases over reason and science...

We will continue down dead-ends and gimmick culture.

“We’re in an LLM bubble,” Hugging Face CEO says—but not an AI one 

In the above link you will find a sample of what the tech world calls "backtracking."
Therein we are "talking-head-'splained" how an LLM and it's failings are not "AI" failings...
Authoritatively exposing, apparently for the first time, it turns out the "LLM's" are not actually AI.
AI is a magic black box behind the scenes?  Here it comes.... the double-down.

These people literally spent millions and spawned billion in investment...
over the amazing development of "Artificial Intelligence"... which has never been more than
a 'goal-post'...

International legislation, massive trillion dollar economic shifting... endless speculation, people getting hurt, sickened by the lie propagated by marketing... and the stupid game certain "marketeers" play.

But "AI" not real... not yet.  Not even close...

I'm willing to be wrong... just show it to us.

And here's one more....

Critics scoff after Microsoft warns AI feature can infect machines and pilfer data 

Wherein even the manufacturers themselves  report this "new enhanced 'agency' in Co-pilot algorithm," are a security concern.

Well... such is the make-believe-AI shit show.

[UltraBudgie]

I liked this essay:

https://apocalypse-confidential.com/2025...ve-choice/

[quintessentone]

Combating the ills of AI and understanding how AI 'thinks' is being tackled in classrooms.

"Gray Areas and Blue Books 
 While some classrooms may embrace AI fully, other educators are combatting its proliferation and potential academic dishonesty with a return to oral or written exams. The Wall Street Journal recently reported sales of “blue books” for written essays have risen dramatically, while schools and organizations have developed their own guidelines for using AI with academic integrity.
 
The Harvard Graduate School of Education, for example, “encourages responsible experimentation with generative AI tools,” but warns there are “important considerations” regarding information security, data privacy, copyright issues, and trustworthiness of content and its impact on academic integrity. The guidance is part of an overall student policy the school released for the 2025–26 academic year, which notes that individual instructor rules may offer more specific guidance for students in certain contexts."

"Making AI Thinking Visible
 
The center is still prototyping what’s next for Graidients, but suggested educators try the tool for different assignments and give feedback on their results. Since launching Graidents in January, Tench and the team also released a voting application so students can sort through their ethical continuum in real time by voting via QR code.
 
The center hopes to develop more prototype tools that make AI thinking visible and help educators and students find positive uses for technology as it continues to evolve. "

Developing AI Ethics in the Classroom | Harvard Graduate School of Education

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Can AI be a jumping off point to original creativity?

"ChatGPT Is Unoriginal—and Exactly What Humans Need

The technology can help cut through buzzwordy “solutions” and serve as a shortcut for jumpstarting creativity."

"But we believe that AI language models like ChatGPT can act as catalysts in settings where predictable responses have repeatedly failed us: climate change, race relations, income inequality, and more. They could indeed increase our “productivity,” not by providing us with better answers, but by confronting us with unoriginal and average-of-everything-on-the-internet responses, so that we can move into the realm of new alternatives that ChatGPT cannot predict. In a way, ChatGPT can act as unintentional satire, showing us how insufficient and bland our solutions can be. AI will not address these issues but can be a tool to transform the way we think, work, and act, reflecting back to us what we will most probably say the first time around and inviting us to try again and again."

ChatGPT Is Unoriginal—and Exactly What Humans Need | WIRED

[imitator]

A Mount Airy Christmas tree farm is warning that a proposed 67-mile transmission line would cut straight through their land... so that power-hungry data centers can keep feeding  their AI.

The tree farm says Maryland families and small businesses would be forced to sacrifice their land, safety, and way of life just so out-of-state tech giants can run ever-bigger AI server farms. 

Video Link: Christmas tree farm opens for the holiday season, threat from AI DATA Centers and and Electrification.