Tartaria a Civilization Erased - The Ultimate Mandela Effect

[Good Bacteria]

A few minutes of research quickly dismantles the mudflood claims that surround the Tartarian Empire myth. 

Most of the ""evidence"" comes from misinterpreting old photographs, architectural features like half-buried basements, or natural events such as floods and landslides.

Historians, geologists, and archaeologists provide clear explanations rooted in soil accumulation, urban development, and erosion.

Buildings with "mudflood" traits are simply products of city planning, changing street levels, fake pictures, or natural sediment buildup.

The theory thrives on selective ignorance, not credible science or history.

Additional Freemasony is not antisemitic in the manner of the likes of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" or its proponents happen to be.

And just because i don't agree with you doesn't mean im flaming you, dont take things so personally.

Im quite interested in your thread for entertainment values, but i have seen where they can go.

Hence better just to point, leaving the sad antisemitic aspects that can arise alone, which was my intention and reason i brought up the known issue that surrounds the subject in question.

It only takes a few seconds to add links to your findings and sources. It helps to understand where it comes from, which certainly isn't you. Please share completely or stop trying to suck the life out of topics on the feed. 

"Trust me bro" isn't good enough.

[andy06shake]

It only takes a few seconds to add links to your findings and sources. It helps to understand where it comes from, which certainly isn't you. Please share completely or stop trying to suck the life out of topics on the feed. 

"Trust me bro" isn't good enough.

Sigh, trust me, have you any idea how many times this dance has been done again and again at ATS?

That would be rather a few, and the conclusion was always the same.

The Tartaria myth is exactly that. 

What links would you like me to add?

I can't prove a negative.

And anyone with even a vague understanding of history and geography comprehends that the theory of ancient Tartaria simply does not hold water. 




I mean if you have 4 hours to waste the above will tell you everything you need to know about the topic up for discussion.




Or this one does the same in 2 minutes.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarian_Empire

Additionally, who constructed the Gothic cathedrals across Europe is an established fact. 



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructi...cathedrals

And don't try and tell me what to do, that's just bad manners. 

If you can't provide evidence to support the premise behind the thread, dont judge others for poking holes in something any sane person can clearly see is a complete and utter fabrication. 

Go after the ball, not the player. 

The name of the site is "Deny Ignorance", not "Encourage Ignorance."

Which is something for you to keep in mind next time you wish to accuse people of sucking the life out of a topic that's been completely and utterly debunked.

[Shoshanna]

Well it does involve Freemasons. Hence, the hidden in plain sight. 'Free' masonry is quite appropriate considering they didn't build the buildings. They took them, as in they were 'free' for the taking. Also telling about the 'founding' stones. Tells us right there that they 'found' them. They did not build them.

I put a lot of information up there. Not sure how it can be read through and dismissed within 10 minutes of me posting it.

I have a question because I am not too familiar with this theory. Does the 1000 year "golden age" have anything to do with "satan's little season"? 

Sorry if this is addressed in the videos I can't watch right now! 

Appreciate something new to read! Yay.

[ArMaP]

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These are not fake images.

True, they are images of the Argentinian pavilion in the 1889 Paris Universal Exposition.

[andy06shake]

I have a question because I am not too familiar with this theory. Does the 1000 year "golden age" have anything to do with "satan's little season"? 

Sorry if this is addressed in the videos I can't watch right now! 

Appreciate something new to read! Yay.

"Satan’s little season" comes from Revelations.

Some Tartaria theorists argue the "golden age" was the millennial reign, and our current turbulent era is "Satan's little season."

It's all covered in that 4-hour-long video i posted, in there somewhere if you have the time and inclination to give it a view.

Included in the Theory of Tartaria section, somewhere.

[andy06shake]

True, they are images of the Argentinian pavilion in the 1889 Paris Universal Exposition.

And so says Google Lens.

So not so much evidence of anything other than it being what it claims.  

As you probably already are aware, you can do that with most of the images Tartarian proponents claim to be evidence of the likes of "mud floods".

And it generally blows the claims straight out of the murky water. 

[voyagerboyg]

Despite the actual factual records and accounts, you mean?

Gothic cathedrals weren't built by "poor peasants" alone, but by skilled stonemasons, carpenters, architects, and entire guilds that passed knowledge down for generations.

The "dark ages" idea is misleading, by the 12th–15th centuries Europe had universities, trade routes, and thriving cities.

Building took decades, even centuries, with huge teams working under church or noble funding.

We still have the actual records, sketches, contracts, and even mistakes in construction showing trial and error.

There’s no evidence of Tartarians, just human skill, patience, and community effort over time.

And the awe comes from people, not lost empires.

This is such a good response.  100% spot on.

[andy06shake]

This is such a good response.  100% spot on.

I mean, it's a great alternative history theory.

That spins a good yarn.

But to seriously entertain Tartarian theory, and like the short 2-minute video i posted suggests towards the end.

You have to pretty much discount a couple of thousand years of Asian history.

[rickymouse]

When I spent some time studying ancient China and India on the net, I ran across many things dating back before BC that showed that they had some sort of hot air balloon technology, some of them were big units.  There are some pictures them carved in stone buildings in India, and parts of upper China.  The consensus is that they were used for trading spices to parts of Europe and Russia, stuff that was light to carry.  I do not know what they traded for those things though, unless the ship was huge, they could not carry much gold or other metals.  But they would have to carry payment back on their return trip.  There were also some documents that showed trade winds. 

Was this part of the trade thing, are those who flew these things the basis of the winged angels?

The evidence I read and saw had been evaluated by some of the people studying those structures from England I think, when England had control of India somehow.  England did not want anyone knowing that those from India and China at one time were more advanced than they were, so they destroyed some of the buildings to cover things up, calling them Heathan temples that needed to be destroyed.  There are still some real nice buildings in India, and of course China does not trust the west because of what happened before, so they do not let archeologists from the west visit all their old sites and buildings.  They have limited access to China's history because of how it was with India in the past.  India was not the only country that had things destroyed by the English empire...and the English carted off lots of the treasures and artifacts of their countries under their control too, and so did the Roman Catholics in power during the crusades. 

Russia had uncovered some weird old stuff and they did not allow other countries people to come and see it.  There were some artifacts that got out of Russia years ago, including some photos, but there is no longer any records we can access on this information.  It somehow dissappeared, but the people did not give all the evidence of those caves to the governments back then and occasionally someone would come up with pictures.  I hate when they hide stuff from us and say no advanced peoeple existed in the past.  Were there flying saucers?  I don't know, but I think an advanced culture could be really advanced now and could have relocated to somewhere else.  Probably in hiding so they do not have to deal with the warmongering cultures in this world. 

The ones running things do not want us to know that there may have been advanced civilizations in the past.  Think of this.....how is it possible that there was NOT an advanced set of beings in the millions of years before recorded history.  If I were to make odds on it, I would definitely say there probably was a culture superior to us on this planet since the dinosaurs were here.  Maybe they warred and destroyed each other, or maybe they created chemistry or microbes like we have that altered the biodome causing them to go extinct.  We are messing things up and it is only a matter of time before some scientists create something that will destroy mankind...again in my opinion.

Or maybe there are still some of them still existing with advanced technology who are hiding from us because we are primitive beings with weapons and labs.

[andy06shake]

When I spent some time studying ancient China and India on the net, I ran across many things dating back before BC that showed that they had some sort of hot air balloon technology, some of them were big units.  There are some pictures them carved in stone buildings in India, and parts of upper China.  The consensus is that they were used for trading spices to parts of Europe and Russia, stuff that was light to carry.  I do not know what they traded for those things though, unless the ship was huge, they could not carry much gold or other metals.  But they would have to carry payment back on their return trip.  There were also some documents that showed trade winds. 

Was this part of the trade thing, are those who flew these things the basis of the winged angels?

The evidence I read and saw had been evaluated by some of the people studying those structures from England I think, when England had control of India somehow.  England did not want anyone knowing that those from India and China at one time were more advanced than they were, so they destroyed some of the buildings to cover things up, calling them Heathan temples that needed to be destroyed.  There are still some real nice buildings in India, and of course China does not trust the west because of what happened before, so they do not let archeologists from the west visit all their old sites and buildings.  They have limited access to China's history because of how it was with India in the past.  India was not the only country that had things destroyed by the English empire...and the English carted off lots of the treasures and artifacts of their countries under their control too, and so did the Roman Catholics in power during the crusades. 

Russia had uncovered some weird old stuff and they did not allow other countries people to come and see it.  There were some artifacts that got out of Russia years ago, including some photos, but there is no longer any records we can access on this information.  It somehow dissappeared, but the people did not give all the evidence of those caves to the governments back then and occasionally someone would come up with pictures.  I hate when they hide stuff from us and say no advanced peoeple existed in the past.  Were there flying saucers?  I don't know, but I think an advanced culture could be really advanced now and could have relocated to somewhere else.  Probably in hiding so they do not have to deal with the warmongering cultures in this world. 

The ones running things do not want us to know that there may have been advanced civilizations in the past.  Think of this.....how is it possible that there was NOT an advanced set of beings in the millions of years before recorded history.  If I were to make odds on it, I would definitely say there probably was a culture superior to us on this planet since the dinosaurs were here.  Maybe they warred and destroyed each other, or maybe they created chemistry or microbes like we have that altered the biodome causing them to go extinct.  We are messing things up and it is only a matter of time before some scientists create something that will destroy mankind...again in my opinion.

Or maybe there are still some of them still existing with advanced technology who are hiding from us because we are primitive beings with weapons and labs.

What you've run into sounds more like myths and misread history than real evidence.

There are no records i can find of ancient China or India using hot-air balloons for trade thousands of years ago.

They had unmanned balloons, called "Kongming lanterns", which were sometimes used for military signaling and celebrations, but commerce, not sure about that.

I mean, the notion of ancient Vimanas immediately springs to mind, i have to say. 

But the "stone carvings" people point to are usually misinterpreted as religious art, not aircraft.

Can't argue that the British Empire destroyed or looted many cultural treasures, especially so where India is concerned, it was kind of their bag back then, deplorable as it would be considered by today's standards.

But that doesn't mean they hid balloon fleets or flying machines.

Trade between Asia and Europe was done by land aka The Silk Road, and by sea, as far as im aware.

If a high-tech culture had existed 1000s of years ago of years ago, we'd find clear traces.

But we don't, and history clearly shows slow, steady progress.

As to the breakaway civilisational aspect, how would they manage to hide their technological footprint from our modern-day science and technology?

That would be quite the feat if indeed they occupy the same planet imho.

Here is a story from ancient times that would seem to suggest a gentleman by the name of Wan Hu went to the moon. 

It's all very interesting, but factual, probably not so much. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wan_Hu