Suicide may have another component...

[Maxmars]

A Utah study has made some statements that some may not have heard...

Half of Suicides Show No Warning. New Research Uncovers a Surprising Biological Reason
 

A major genetic study shows that some suicides arise from hidden, nontraditional risk factors, challenging long-standing assumptions about who is most vulnerable.

Among the loved ones of people who die by suicide, a familiar reaction is often: I didn’t know.

Although some individuals have a history of attempts, about half of those who die by suicide leave no record of suicidal thoughts or actions, and they also lack recognized psychiatric conditions linked to elevated risk, such as depression. In many cases, there are simply no clear signs beforehand that they might be vulnerable.

It seems that the suicides many have to witness and endure often include a sentiment similar to "I never knew.." or "I didn't know."

That may be, in part, that many of us believe anyone who is suicidal must be depressed... or show signs of emotional distress...

but apparently it reads about half the time... there are no observable or reported signs to diagnose...

But the text seems to say that 50% of the time suicides are not 'second attempts.'  maybe I missed the actual statement in there... b
 

“There are a lot of people out there who may be at risk of suicide where it’s not just that you’ve missed that they’re depressed, it’s likely that they’re in fact actually not depressed,” says Hilary Coon, PhD, professor of psychiatry in the Spencer Fox Eccles School of Medicine at the University of Utah and first author on the study.

“That is important in widening our view of who may be at risk. ....

DOI: 10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2025.38204

[BeyondKnowledge]

Having read through that twice it pretty much says the following. 

We don't know what we are talking about when it comes to suicide and can't help at this time for half the cases. More studies must be done to find out why. We have no clue before the successful first attempt for half the instances. 

They also speculate about there being some biological factor they don't understand. 

So, a study saying we need more studies and have no answers in at least half the cases.

[quintessentone]

It may also show itself with self abuse with alcohol or drugs. But we already know that. And we can't help them nor can the programs implemented because they don't know what the fuck they are doing. I lost my brother to that really mental illness not controlled, not understood.

[ArMaP]

Just because there aren't any noticeable signs it doesn't mean the person is depressed or under some kind of psychological stress, it only means they do not show it or that those around them are not capable of reading the signs.

Suicide is a personal thing, I'm sure there are many different reasons for people to kill themselves.

[andy06shake]

My best friend, all through school and adulthood, took his own life back in 2012.

Jammed a belt in the top of a door, put it around his neck, and just sat down. 

He was found a few hours later.

As to the why of it all.

We can but speculate.

Even when they leave a note, their reasoning is hardly crystal.

RIP James.

[ANNEE]

Anxiety amongst neurodivergents is very high.  But they mask.

They aren't going to show their true feelings or ask for help.

They may reach a point of action they can't come back from.

[quintessentone]

A Utah study has made some statements that some may not have heard...

Half of Suicides Show No Warning. New Research Uncovers a Surprising Biological Reason
 


It seems that the suicides many have to witness and endure often include a sentiment similar to "I never knew.." or "I didn't know."

That may be, in part, that many of us believe anyone who is suicidal must be depressed... or show signs of emotional distress...

but apparently it reads about half the time... there are no observable or reported signs to diagnose...

But the text seems to say that 50% of the time suicides are not 'second attempts.'  maybe I missed the actual statement in there... b
 

DOI: 10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2025.38204

Perhaps they really haven't identified/defined the different types of depression correctly or completely in the DSM, or those people that are coping with depression are really not coping with it properly, but appear to others to be okay or have learned how to hide it because of the stigma of shame or perhaps they are into denial or have high-functioning depression. Then again with our busy lives who is really paying close attention to others' behaviour or the signs that are evident but we don't acknowledge or look for because everything seems to be fine with that person?

This video: How to recognize perfectly hidden depression. Margaret Rutherford.

[Bootless]

Suicide is a personal thing, I'm sure there are many different reasons for people to kill themselves.

Philosophical reasons are out in the World.

I downloaded Philipp Mainländer's book The Philosophy of Redemption, but now I'm hesitant to read it.

[quintessentone]

Philosophical reasons are out in the World.

I downloaded Philipp Mainländer's book The Philosophy of Redemption, but now I'm hesitant to read it.

He and his words are seemingly of a nihilistic extremist nature.

Philipp Mainländer - Wikipedia

[Bootless]

He and his words are seemingly of a nihilistic extremist nature.

Not extremist.
He doesn't advocate violence against others.

Here's what goodreads says:

Philipp Mainländer set down in his Philosophy of Redemption an ambitious philosophical vision. He claimed not only to confirm the teachings of Buddhism and Christianity but also to reconcile religion with science and put atheism on a scientific foundation. All this he integrates with a cosmology that reads the universe as the emanation of a primordial event, which he construes as God's self-destruction. The universe is therefore the disintegrating relic of a divinity, a discordant unity of individual beings, egoistic manifestations of a will to death all striving for absolute annihilation. Mainländer's bleak but rapturous prognosis is here published in English for the first time.

Rather than mass violence, something like Antinatalism may be an acceptable alternative.