Spreading ashes in the wrong place?

[Orby]

Just something that's been playing on the mind. The bloke I work with and at his premises, his wife died. Both born in the UK post war. But Polish families, in their case Othodox too as their families were eastern Poles in what is now Belarus. But Stalin moved the border. 

Ok so this chap he when the wall came down bought a property near to Wroclaw. This was the heart of industrial Germany only a few generations ago known then as Breslau in what was Silesia. Hardly any Poles lived there, just Germans. Germany lost, Stalin kicked out or killed all the Germans and moved the borders west along with Poles. So the ancestors / spirit world in Silesia will be largely German. Will the chap be making a spirit mistake be scattering his wifes ashes in this ancient German territory? I haven't said anything, it's just playing on the brain. I'd go for what was Poland with a long history of Poles living there yet that's just me. Is he doing the right thing for his his wifes spirit scattering her ashes in what was for hundreds of years Germany?

[andy06shake]

Just something that's been playing on the mind. The bloke I work with and at his premises, his wife died. Both born in the UK post war. But Polish families, in their case Othodox too as their families were eastern Poles in what is now Belarus. But Stalin moved the border. 

Ok so this chap he when the wall came down bought a property near to Wroclaw. This was the heart of industrial Germany only a few generations ago known then as Breslau in what was Silesia. Hardly any Poles lived there, just Germans. Germany lost, Stalin kicked out or killed all the Germans and moved the borders west along with Poles. So the ancestors / spirit world in Silesia will be largely German. Will the chap be making a spirit mistake be scattering his wifes ashes in this ancient German territory? I haven't said anything, it's just playing on the brain. I'd go for what was Poland with a long history of Poles living there yet that's just me. Is he doing the right thing for his his wifes spirit scattering her ashes in what was for hundreds of years Germany?

It's just pulverised bone fragments, Orby.

I dont think our spirit resides there any more than in a dead body.  

But if the fella gets peace of mind from scattering her ashes, no matter where, i would not bother saying anything...

Let him do his thing, as it's part and parcel of the grieving process.

[quintessentone]

If they did a DNA test they might be surprised how much German DNA shows up from down the line. Actually, we can go all the way back to Africa.

[Orby]

It's just pulverised bone fragments, Orby.

I dont think our spirit resides there any more than in a dead body.  

But if the fella gets peace of mind from scattering her ashes, no matter where, i would not bother saying anything...

Let him do his thing, as it's part and parcel of the grieving process.

Yeah know where you're coming from Andy, I would only mention something if he was a good'n yet he's a bit of a racist ape to be honest like lots of 80 year old Poles from that era. Just was considering that some spirits might feel an attachment to the ashes. I certainly will be glad to be free from my body which frequently has let me down, yet some spirit do attatch to material things or locations.

[Orby]

If they did a DNA test they might be surprised how much German DNA shows up from down the line. Actually, we can go all the way back to Africa.

Hi Quint, yes that is a possibility. Thing is when the borders were redrawn, it wasn't generally the whole Pole population that moved west, it was those living in the very east of Poland (now Ukraine / Belarus), that were shipped in to the very west of new Poland, former Silesia of old. Those eastern Poles are very eastern, much less likely to have any western / Germanic DNA than say central or western pre-war Poles. I'd say no German or western DNA whatsoever as the Roman Empire never got near to Belarus. He's Orthodox due to family descent being from the east, while most Poles being Catholic. I just believe scattering the wifes ashes might be a mistake in what was Germany since centuries before, plus Silesia was very right wing, they really didn't like Poles, Jews etc at all. The hardcore Nazis in that region. If the spirit world exists, why place an eastern Poles ashes into an area like that, with a German spirit world containing many victims once the Soviets had won the war and eliminated Germans from that region. Seems strange to me when one could take the ashes to say Warsaw, a genuine region of Poles historically and not something taken from the Germans.

[quintessentone]

Hi Quint, yes that is a possibility. Thing is when the borders were redrawn, it wasn't generally the whole Pole population that moved west, it was those living in the very east of Poland (now Ukraine / Belarus), that were shipped in to the very west of new Poland, former Silesia of old. Those eastern Poles are very eastern, much less likely to have any western / Germanic DNA than say central or western pre-war Poles. I'd say no German or western DNA whatsoever as the Roman Empire never got near to Belarus. He's Orthodox due to family descent being from the east, while most Poles being Catholic. I just believe scattering the wifes ashes might be a mistake in what was Germany since centuries before, plus Silesia was very right wing, they really didn't like Poles, Jews etc at all. The hardcore Nazis in that region. If the spirit world exists, why place an eastern Poles ashes into an area like that, with a German spirit world containing many victims once the Soviets had won the war and eliminated Germans from that region. Seems strange to me when one could take the ashes to say Warsaw, a genuine region of Poles historically and not something taken from the Germans.

Look at this Poland historical borders map, it looks to me that the country of Poland, in a historical sense, would include your friend's place of burial, that being Wroclaw, which is approximately 160 miles to the West from Warsaw. I am assuming this is the site we are discussing.

[Orby]

Look at this Poland historical borders map, it looks to me that the country of Poland, in a historical sense, would include your friend's place of burial, that being Wroclaw, which is approximately 160 miles to the West from Warsaw. I am assuming this is the site we are discussing.

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Nice map. Yes that is the historical map of Poland, yet the region her ashes are planned to be scattered in is within the 1569 / 1939 border visually from the 'y' in Germany on the map and roughly south east from there, old Silesia. That's 500 years of German spirits, plus many of whom were murdered by the Soviets / Poles in 1945 lurking around. I don't believe those spirits, 500 years of them at the very least are going to like an eastern Pole being flown in to have her ashes scattered there.

[quintessentone]

Nice map. Yes that is the historical map of Poland, yet the region her ashes are planned to be scattered in is within the 1569 / 1939 border visually from the 'y' in Germany on the map and roughly south east from there, old Silesia. That's 500 years of German spirits, plus many of whom were murdered by the Soviets / Poles in 1945 lurking around. I don't believe those spirits, 500 years of them at the very least are going to like an eastern Pole being flown in to have her ashes scattered there.

Personally, I'd go further back in Polish history for a more larger picture of the spirit there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wroc%C5%82aw

[Orby]

Personally, I'd go further back in Polish history for a more larger picture of the spirit there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wroc%C5%82aw

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Yeah can see where you're coming from. I guess it probably was Poland 1000 years ago. It's the more recent spirits I'd be concerned about. Firstly the spirit life will possibly fade a little by the 500 year mark. The really angry spirits who his wife may have issues with, from the siege of Breslau and taking of Silesia, that was only 80 ish years ago. 

AI states......... "Hundreds of thousands of Germans died in Silesia, primarily during the chaotic final months of World War II and the postwar expulsions. Historians estimate that between 100,000 and 1.2 million German civilians died during the winter flight, forced evacuations, and subsequent expulsion from the region." 

Those deaths and subsequent spirits surely aren't going to take nicely to an eastern Poles ashes being spread in what they consider 'their' territory.

[quintessentone]

Yeah can see where you're coming from. I guess it probably was Poland 1000 years ago. It's the more recent spirits I'd be concerned about. Firstly the spirit life will possibly fade a little by the 500 year mark. The really angry spirits who his wife may have issues with, from the siege of Breslau and taking of Silesia, that was only 80 ish years ago. 

AI states......... "Hundreds of thousands of Germans died in Silesia, primarily during the chaotic final months of World War II and the postwar expulsions. Historians estimate that between 100,000 and 1.2 million German civilians died during the winter flight, forced evacuations, and subsequent expulsion from the region." 

Those deaths and subsequent spirits surely aren't going to take nicely to an eastern Poles ashes being spread in what they consider 'their' territory.

Don't you think her spirit can handle it considering the fighter stock from where she hails?