03-27-2024, 02:14 PM
I can sense your disaffection with all things Israel. But I must caution you... no, this isn't a political take.
Everything that any 'government' OR "leadership" pursues, or mandates isn't the "collective will of the people." Ever.
That is a meme and trope we have been "convinced" of, and readily accepted.
Most people in Israel have absolutely no control over the actions of their "representatives" in the media - not any more than you or I do in our respective countries. The same goes for that collection of people who wish for their 'idealized' Palestinian State. And nearly all only have that 'media,' or specially 'directed' information, to go on in their daily lives.
I not so humbly offer a tip: Hate the actions, not the scenery. Most citizens are scenery. In most matters international, "perspective" can't be tolerated as an excuse for violence, or threats of violence. Violence only hurts people, not governments - the "problem" comes from governments and their "perspectives."
The how and why people acquiesce to the exploits of "governments acting in their name" is far too complicated to account for. But the "cause" we are exposed to of "curtailing Israeli success" is palpable. Someone somewhere keeps this cause alive. I reject the idea that it is theological... that wouldn't make coherent sense.
I'm sure you aren't ignoring the choices BOTH states have "made" over the decades. Where those choices led could not have been overlooked.
This is a plan. The "information war" is being conducted according to a plan. The media complicity is far too conveniently placed. This isn't "everybody's business" as the globalists seem to prefer. This is a regional conflict, as egregious and unappealing as MANY other ongoing, recent, and past conflicts which the media sees fit to ignore and fails to compare.
Much of the outrage is manufactured. Most of it is 'crafted' via a narrative full of one-sided considerations and perspectives then 'made active' by the insertion of faux-authoritative opinions.
And now, more on topic. (Sorry about that digression, none of it was particularly "aimed" at either poster before me... it was an impulse.)
While I will never be invited to visit, I think it is a great service to warn me about the pizza. I hadn't considered that, and I probably would "try" it, were I visiting. Nothing worse to a New Yorker than unexpectedly "bad" pizza.
I have to say, I do understand your takeaway about "indoctrination." I've seen that too (and not just relating to Israel.) When you join the military, it is appropriate, I think, to become more 'strident' and 'patriotic.' But that's part of the gig. Some returning from training seem "over the top." I noticed that even here (US) in our military, I found that it fades into reality fairly well... but not always... if your more "activist minded." It can, and sometimes does, offend though.
Being older I can tell you that in my youth I lived in places where the bakery you describe could have been replicated. I can only say that people were satisfied that "it serves." Sometimes that we which consider 'regrettable' in other countries is purely a 'foreign perspective' ... among all the regrettable things in their lives... that's not one they dwell on... it serves.
"Genocide" is a carefully selected label for what you're discussing. I can't help but wonder how 'from the river to the sea' is not a genocidal idea.
For the record, I "support" neither side, who I think are only "playing" a game with the lives of people they don't care about or for. Isn't it fun?
Everything that any 'government' OR "leadership" pursues, or mandates isn't the "collective will of the people." Ever.
That is a meme and trope we have been "convinced" of, and readily accepted.
Most people in Israel have absolutely no control over the actions of their "representatives" in the media - not any more than you or I do in our respective countries. The same goes for that collection of people who wish for their 'idealized' Palestinian State. And nearly all only have that 'media,' or specially 'directed' information, to go on in their daily lives.
I not so humbly offer a tip: Hate the actions, not the scenery. Most citizens are scenery. In most matters international, "perspective" can't be tolerated as an excuse for violence, or threats of violence. Violence only hurts people, not governments - the "problem" comes from governments and their "perspectives."
The how and why people acquiesce to the exploits of "governments acting in their name" is far too complicated to account for. But the "cause" we are exposed to of "curtailing Israeli success" is palpable. Someone somewhere keeps this cause alive. I reject the idea that it is theological... that wouldn't make coherent sense.
I'm sure you aren't ignoring the choices BOTH states have "made" over the decades. Where those choices led could not have been overlooked.
This is a plan. The "information war" is being conducted according to a plan. The media complicity is far too conveniently placed. This isn't "everybody's business" as the globalists seem to prefer. This is a regional conflict, as egregious and unappealing as MANY other ongoing, recent, and past conflicts which the media sees fit to ignore and fails to compare.
Much of the outrage is manufactured. Most of it is 'crafted' via a narrative full of one-sided considerations and perspectives then 'made active' by the insertion of faux-authoritative opinions.
And now, more on topic. (Sorry about that digression, none of it was particularly "aimed" at either poster before me... it was an impulse.)
While I will never be invited to visit, I think it is a great service to warn me about the pizza. I hadn't considered that, and I probably would "try" it, were I visiting. Nothing worse to a New Yorker than unexpectedly "bad" pizza.
I have to say, I do understand your takeaway about "indoctrination." I've seen that too (and not just relating to Israel.) When you join the military, it is appropriate, I think, to become more 'strident' and 'patriotic.' But that's part of the gig. Some returning from training seem "over the top." I noticed that even here (US) in our military, I found that it fades into reality fairly well... but not always... if your more "activist minded." It can, and sometimes does, offend though.
Being older I can tell you that in my youth I lived in places where the bakery you describe could have been replicated. I can only say that people were satisfied that "it serves." Sometimes that we which consider 'regrettable' in other countries is purely a 'foreign perspective' ... among all the regrettable things in their lives... that's not one they dwell on... it serves.
"Genocide" is a carefully selected label for what you're discussing. I can't help but wonder how 'from the river to the sea' is not a genocidal idea.
For the record, I "support" neither side, who I think are only "playing" a game with the lives of people they don't care about or for. Isn't it fun?
