Should I keep my insights to myself?

[UltraBudgie]

Interesting anecdote from Rupert Sheldrake:

[chr0naut]

I have no problem believing we had been lied to... just prefer to read sources and make decisions on the totality of the evidence

Let's see what Grok postulates...

https://x.com/i/grok/share/saCWIM2Ar9U9E8jWOlJQ6Q4ew

Speculative Scenario
If humans evolved as strict herbivores, we might resemble large, social primates like gorillas—living in smaller, plant-focused groups with robust digestive systems and simpler tools. Our brains might be smaller, with cognition geared toward ecological knowledge rather than hunting strategies. Societies would likely be more decentralized, with cultures revolving around plant cultivation and seasonal migrations. However, given plants’ abundance compared to prey, we might have colonized diverse environments earlier, albeit with less technological complexity.
This assumes no omnivorous phase in our ancestry, which is unlikely given that even early primates were opportunistic omnivores. The omnivorous diet’s flexibility was a key driver of Homo sapiens’ adaptability, so a herbivorous path would likely have made us a very different species—perhaps less dominant but still capable of thriving in specific niches.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/h7IOZ7QSWLF1hVeXiLEvM8ofi

Yes, humans are true omnivores. Our physiology and digestive systems are adapted to process a wide range of foods, including meat, plants, fruits, vegetables, and grains.

• Teeth and digestion: Humans have a mix of sharp incisors for cutting meat and flat molars for grinding plant matter, unlike strict carnivores (sharp teeth for tearing) or herbivores (flat teeth for grinding). Our stomachs produce enzymes like pepsin to break down proteins from meat and amylase in saliva to digest starches from plants.
  
• Nutritional flexibility: We can derive energy and nutrients from both animal and plant sources. For example, we get protein from meat or legumes, vitamin B12 primarily from animal products, and fiber from plants.
  
• Evolutionary evidence: Anthropological studies show early humans ate a varied diet, with evidence of hunting, fishing, and gathering plants. Tools and fire use further enabled diverse food processing.
  
• Cultural diets: Human populations thrive on diets ranging from heavily plant-based (e.g., traditional Indian diets) to heavily animal-based (e.g., Inuit diets), demonstrating our omnivorous adaptability.
  

While some argue humans lean toward herbivory due to our longer intestines (better for plant digestion) or toward carnivory due to our need for certain nutrients like B12, the consensus is that we’re built for both. Claims otherwise often stem from ethical or environmental biases rather than biology.

furthermore

https://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veg...evolution/

I would not trust the output of an LLM to provide truthful summaries of credible sources, especially one that is probably trained primarily on a social media platform.

[putnam6]

I would not trust the output of an LLM to provide truthful summaries of credible sources, especially one that is probably trained primarily on a social media platform.

LOL I specifically said I can believe we are being lied to, yes or no?

However, since the OP was shallow in providing a solid basis for their argument,

I just wanted to check on what the consensus is at the moment, and then go from there.

FWIW, on this one subject, it's hard to argue it's not accepted as factual by a majority. Grok points out the opposing views as well, just suggests they don't have much evidence to back those opposing up.

[quintessentone]

I had the privilege of studying Lambert Dolphin's original notes, in the private library where he compiled them:

ON THE CONSTANCY OF THE SPEED OF LIGHT

Definitely if one includes the error margins of various calculations and measurements of the speed of light over history, It does appear to have been reducing.

Interesting, in that, if indeed the speed of light has been reducing and if we accept the theory that our universe is rotating, and if we accept that they now can stop light in its tracks, then maybe it can be attributed to magnetic field-like forces slowing down as our universe ages (?)

"For electrons, the influence of a magnetic field is governed by the Lorentz force, which alters their trajectory and enables precise control. Without an electric charge, photons lack this built-in mechanism, requiring researchers to explore alternative methods to manipulate their movement.
 The Photonic Forces group at AMOLF has been investigating ways to create a "magnetic field-like" effect for photons. By engineering materials with unique optical properties, they aim to direct and confine light in ways previously thought impossible."

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/sc...ts-tracks/

[chr0naut]

LOL I specifically said I can believe we are being lied to, yes or no?

However, since the OP was shallow in providing a solid basis for their argument,

I just wanted to check on what the consensus is at the moment, and then go from there.

FWIW, on this one subject, it's hard to argue it's not accepted as factual by a majority. Grok points out the opposing views as well, just suggests they don't have much evidence to back those opposing up.

For the most part, I don't believe that there is some great conspiracy to deceive us about the mundane aspects of physical theory. I think there are assumptions based upon hypotheses that blind us to other possibilities, though.

You see, if we doubt ourselves, it makes us look like intellectual pipsqueaks. So everyone must at least ascribe to whatever is the fashion at the moment.

It takes an exceptional true individualist to break the mould.

Unfortunately, most times the exceptional true individualist is just a kook who won't accept contradiction.

[putnam6]

For the most part, I don't believe that there is some great conspiracy to deceive us about the mundane aspects of physical theory. I think there are assumptions based upon hypotheses that blind us to other possibilities, though.

You see, if we doubt ourselves, it makes us look like intellectual pipsqueaks. So everyone must at least ascribe to whatever is the fashion at the moment.

It takes an exceptional true individualist to break the mould.

Unfortunately, most times the exceptional true individualist is just a kook who won't accept contradiction.

Yeah, Im just here to learn 

I have a handful of solid beliefs, a few strong opinions; otherwise, Im open for discussion.

Thats not to suggest that because I enjoy red meat, I will automatically say humans were omnivores.

The Inuit historical diet, though...

https://www.ox.ac.uk/research/high-fat-d...tudy-finds

[chr0naut]

Interesting, in that, if indeed the speed of light has been reducing and if we accept the theory that our universe is rotating, and if we accept that they now can stop light in its tracks, then maybe it can be attributed to magnetic field-like forces slowing down as our universe ages (?)

"For electrons, the influence of a magnetic field is governed by the Lorentz force, which alters their trajectory and enables precise control. Without an electric charge, photons lack this built-in mechanism, requiring researchers to explore alternative methods to manipulate their movement.
 The Photonic Forces group at AMOLF has been investigating ways to create a "magnetic field-like" effect for photons. By engineering materials with unique optical properties, they aim to direct and confine light in ways previously thought impossible."

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/sc...ts-tracks/

OK, I'll respond by putting forward my personal pet theory in physics (that I have been ruminating on for decades).

It has to do with a very foundational conception of 'dimensionality'.

To get yourself into the right headspace, you have to think in terms of some recent Sci-Fi such as the Three-Body Problem series. In it, the advanced civilization/s actually engineered using transformations in dimensionality.

They needed to send a giant computer running an artificial intelligence across light-years of space, and so they plotted out the tracks of the physical computer over vast areas of space near to their planet, and then collapsed the 3 dimensional object down to a 2d one, and then down to a 1d one, and then down to a 0d one.

Essentially, it became a dimensionless point, but it still encased the entire functional operational computer. A computer able to effect its own dimensional transformations, too.

This device/particle that they called a Sophon (I love that name) was then able to be sent at close to the speed of light due to is relative mass-lessness.

Later in the series, such dimensional transformations were also used to calve-off 'bubble universes' and create hyper-destructive weapons. The dimensionally transformative tech became the primary point of battle between primeval intelligences in the universe, analogous to the battle between diametric opposites like good and evil.

OK, I hope you are now entertaining the thought that there is a vague potential for 'dimensional engineering'.

Now consider that there are likely to be about 11 spatial-temporal dimensions out there in reality. Some of the fringes of experimental, mathematical and theoretical physics lends some degree of certainty for a proliferation of dimensions.

The first question is, why - for what reason are there multiple dimensions in the first place?

The second question is, what are the observable and unobserved attributes of the dimensions?

We know about the operation within three spatial dimensions, how we can move, and see, forward and back along their direction of axis. We know about the temporal dimension component of spacetime and how we can see backwards, but not forwards (the arrow of time). And we know about the higher dimensions, that we cannot see either forwards or backwards, in.

It is like as the dimension number increases, that something is happening that changes our ability to 'see' everything about and in them. That is probably a useful fact.

So there are some 'unknowns' for us to get an understanding of, but currently hardly anyone is exploring these questions about something so fundamental to everything else in physics!

I have had a few ah-ha moments over the years (and more recently) as I have tried to further define things, and I have been in contact with a small handful of physicists who similarly see that there is a 'there' there for us to think and talk about. But often there aren't words or mathematics to describe things. I'm sort of hoping to come up with something like a Feynman diagram that we will be able to describe things with.

Until we can get dimensionality right in theory, we can't even expect to get our understanding of measurement right, and all of physics might change...

Primarily, the physical attributes of the universe must apply in dimensionality too. i.e. if a constant is a constant and has a mathematical and physical reason for being as it is, then it must apply across dimensionality and its explicability applies within dimensionality. This gives us a starting point to probe into areas that we cannot observe but can conceptualize and form explicative mathematical definitions of.

[BeyondKnowledge]

Replied in wrong thread.

[chivo]

It would be very interesting to know, anyone on this thread that claims that without eating meat, health is compromised... Did you actually tried not eating meat for more than one day or two? And also, who here butchers their own meat?

[Ray1990]

It would be very interesting to know, anyone on this thread that claims that without eating meat, health is compromised... Did you actually tried not eating meat for more than one day or two? And also, who here butchers their own meat?

It can be. A poor flora mix within the gut can also cause it which is going to happen with unbalanced diets. Medications affect this too, basically anything you consume including fizzy drinks.

Upto 1 in 6 have IBS, there's plenty of other diseases of the gut that affects nutritional uptake. These people need balanced diets and supplements.

Then there's actual gut chemistry like the production of enzymes or serotonin which have a massive impact on nutritional uptake.

But yeah I've tested diets, unbalanced diets always show up in blood tests.