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#31
(04-22-2025, 05:13 PM)Atermis007 Wrote: Those amino acids are found in nuts legumes and many other plant sourced

You are missing the key point: insufficiency!

AI:
"Nutrient deficiencies: If a vegetarian is not adequately meeting their nutrient needs through plant-based sources, red meat could be considered as a source of certain nutrients, but this should be done under the guidance of a healthcare professional or registered dietitian."
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#32
(04-22-2025, 05:15 PM)justsomedude Wrote: Apparently not.
Yes they do
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#33
(04-22-2025, 05:18 PM)quintessentone Wrote: You are missing the key point: insufficiency!

AI:
"Nutrient deficiencies: If a vegetarian is not adequately meeting their nutrient needs through plant-based sources, red meat could be considered as a source of certain nutrients, but this should be done under the guidance of a healthcare professional or registered dietitian."

Omg just stop with the bs.
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#34
(04-22-2025, 05:09 PM)quintessentone Wrote: You are basing your knowledge only on your own health situation while not encompassing others' health issues, age, etc.

My doctor advised me to start eating red meat, and in addition to that I would have to take B12 supplements for the rest of my life. I didn't want to give up being a vegan, I had to give up being a vegan for my particular health issues.

So far you are generalizing.

It is very difficult to be vegan (no meat or dairy)! especially as was said essential aminos. although possible! vegetarian, tasty veggies fruit and some dairy, is much easier!
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#35
(04-22-2025, 05:19 PM)Atermis007 Wrote: Omg just stop with the bs.

I thought you were done. Lol
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#36
(04-22-2025, 05:13 PM)Atermis007 Wrote: Those amino acids are found in nuts legumes and many other plant sourced

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#37
(04-22-2025, 05:20 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: It is very difficult to be vegan (no meat or dairy)! especially as was said essential aminos. although possible! vegetarian, tasty veggies fruit and some dairy, is much easier!
no ot isn't difficult just Google vegan bodybuilders/athletes
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#38
I have no problem believing we had been lied to... just prefer to read sources and make decisions on the totality of the evidence

Let's see what Grok postulates...

https://x.com/i/grok/share/saCWIM2Ar9U9E8jWOlJQ6Q4ew

Speculative Scenario
If humans evolved as strict herbivores, we might resemble large, social primates like gorillas—living in smaller, plant-focused groups with robust digestive systems and simpler tools. Our brains might be smaller, with cognition geared toward ecological knowledge rather than hunting strategies. Societies would likely be more decentralized, with cultures revolving around plant cultivation and seasonal migrations. However, given plants’ abundance compared to prey, we might have colonized diverse environments earlier, albeit with less technological complexity.
This assumes no omnivorous phase in our ancestry, which is unlikely given that even early primates were opportunistic omnivores. The omnivorous diet’s flexibility was a key driver of Homo sapiens’ adaptability, so a herbivorous path would likely have made us a very different species—perhaps less dominant but still capable of thriving in specific niches.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/h7IOZ7QSWLF1hVeXiLEvM8ofi

Yes, humans are true omnivores. Our physiology and digestive systems are adapted to process a wide range of foods, including meat, plants, fruits, vegetables, and grains.
  • Teeth and digestion: Humans have a mix of sharp incisors for cutting meat and flat molars for grinding plant matter, unlike strict carnivores (sharp teeth for tearing) or herbivores (flat teeth for grinding). Our stomachs produce enzymes like pepsin to break down proteins from meat and amylase in saliva to digest starches from plants.
  • Nutritional flexibility: We can derive energy and nutrients from both animal and plant sources. For example, we get protein from meat or legumes, vitamin B12 primarily from animal products, and fiber from plants.
  • Evolutionary evidence: Anthropological studies show early humans ate a varied diet, with evidence of hunting, fishing, and gathering plants. Tools and fire use further enabled diverse food processing.
  • Cultural diets: Human populations thrive on diets ranging from heavily plant-based (e.g., traditional Indian diets) to heavily animal-based (e.g., Inuit diets), demonstrating our omnivorous adaptability.
While some argue humans lean toward herbivory due to our longer intestines (better for plant digestion) or toward carnivory due to our need for certain nutrients like B12, the consensus is that we’re built for both. Claims otherwise often stem from ethical or environmental biases rather than biology.

furthermore

https://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veg...evolution/
Quote:But there’s veganism and then there’s Veganism—the upper case, ideological veganism, the kind that goes beyond diet and lifestyle wisdom to a sort of counterfactual crusade. For this crowd, it has become an article of faith that not only is meat-eating bad for humans, but that it’s always been bad for humans—that we were never meant to eat animal products at all, and that our teeth, facial structure and digestive systems are proof of that.
You see it in Nine Reasons Your Canine Teeth Don’t Make You a Meat-Eater; in PETA’s Yes, It’s True: Humans Aren’t Meant to Eat Meat; in Shattering the Myth: Humans Are Natural Vegetarians. (Google “humans aren’t supposed to eat meat” and have at it.)
But sorry, it just ain’t so. As a new study in Nature makes clear, not only did processing and eating meat come naturally to humans, it’s entirely possible that without an early diet that included generous amounts of animal protein, we wouldn’t even have become human—at least not the modern, verbal, intelligent humans we are.
It was about 2.6 million years ago that meat first became a significant part of the pre-human diet, and if Australopithecus had had a forehead to slap it would surely have done so. Being an herbivore was easy—fruits and vegetables don’t run away, after all. But they’re also not terribly calorie-dense. A better alternative were so-called underground storage organs (USOs)—root foods like beets and yams and potatoes. They pack a bigger nutritional wallop, but they’re not terribly tasty—at least not raw—and they’re very hard to chew. According to Harvard University evolutionary biologists Katherine Zink and Daniel Lieberman, the authors of the Nature paper, proto-humans eating enough root food to stay alive would have had to go through up to 15 million “chewing cycles” a year.
This is where meat stepped—and ran and scurried—in to save the day. Prey that has been killed and then prepared either by slicing, pounding or flaking provides a much more calorie-rich meal with much less chewing than root foods do, boosting nutrient levels overall. (Cooking, which would have made things easier still, did not come into vogue until 500,000 years ago.)
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#39
(04-22-2025, 05:21 PM)Atermis007 Wrote: no ot isn't difficult just Google vegan bodybuilders/athletes

OMG, cherrypicking now. Not everyone is able to pull off the vegan diet due to health issues.
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#40
(04-22-2025, 05:19 PM)Atermis007 Wrote: Omg just stop with the bs.

Speaking of BS, when are you going to share your universe theories with us?
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