Scottish Girl gonna' start a revolution!

[ReturnofBroccoli]

It’s not a weapon until they use it as a threat.  You can’t carry a table knife and a hatchet all day long if you like?  Once it was brandished as a threat is the problem.

it is illegal in their country, the law states you must have a reason to carry knives and hatchets around in public concealed or otherwise.

[WallFlowerActive]

it is illegal in their country

Then how do you get a table knife and a hatchet?  The government have to issue the items?  Only to keep at home?

I think this is a hardware store in Scotland?

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Then how do you get a table knife and a hatchet?  The government have to issue the items?  Only to keep at home?

I think this is a hardware store in Scotland?

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Im sorry I thought it was pretty clear. It is illegal to carry hatchets, axes, and knives over a certain length in public. Public meaning the country the offenders live. According to the law you must have lawful reasoning for having the weapon in public such as camping etc. I guess when questioned they didnt say camping.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r40gylxpwo

[WallFlowerActive]

Thought this was an interesting concerning the topic.







https://www.axedandenraged.co.uk/


Are the Scottish clinging to there axes?

[WallFlowerActive]

Im sorry I thought it was pretty clear. It is illegal to carry hatchets, axes, and knives over a certain length in public. Public meaning the country the offenders live.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r40gylxpwo

So.  A law where the courts have to be a mind reader?  And have to establish frame of mind.  Or more like dictate the frame of mind as convenient to the court at the expense of reasonable doubt concerning a citizen.  Whatever Europe.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

So.  A law where the courts have to be a mind reader?  And have to establish frame of mind.  Or more like dictate the frame of mind as convenient to the court at the expense of reasonable doubt concerning a citizen.  Whatever Europe.

An arrest is not a conviction. They simply did not state a lawful reason for carrying and were arrested. If they continue to do so, however, the arresting charge will stick. I dont see anything wrong there. Usually I agree with you wallflower but this seems pretty reasonable. If I had to guess, they will probably be released soon enough with a scolding and this will all be forgotten about. The couple who were filming were apparently a Bulgarian couple, according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r40gylxpwo , and not what social media has twisted them to be. They handled it how they handled it, the girls were arrested for how they handled it, and thats that.

[IDELB2006]

So.  A law where the courts have to be a mind reader?  And have to establish frame of mind.  Or more like dictate the frame of mind as convenient to the court at the expense of reasonable doubt concerning a citizen.  Whatever Europe.

Do the courts in your area need to prove intent or state of mind for certain crimes?

[WallFlowerActive]

Do the courts in your area need to prove intent or state of mind for certain crimes?

Shrugs.

What is Intent?In criminal law, intent refers to an individual’s mental state or mindset when committing an alleged crime. It is a key element that must be established to prove that a defendant not only committed the physical act of the crime (referred to as “actus reus”) but also had the mental state or intent to commit the crime (referred to as “mens rea”).
Intent can take several forms, depending on the type of crime:

1. Specific Intent: This refers to cases where the defendant not only commits the act but also does so with a specific purpose or objective. For example, in cases of theft, the prosecutor must show that the defendant specifically intended to take something with the aim of depriving the owner permanently.
   
2. General Intent: This is where the defendant intends to perform the act, but there may not be a specific outcome in mind. In assault cases, for instance, the prosecutor may need to show that the defendant intended to cause harm, even if there was no specific intent to cause injury to a particular individual.
   
3. Negligence or Recklessness: Some crimes do not require proof of specific intent. Instead, these offenses may be based on the idea that the defendant acted negligently or recklessly. For example, involuntary manslaughter may require proof that the defendant acted with disregard for the safety of others, but not necessarily that they intended to cause harm
   

https://www.baezlawfirm.com/the-role-of-...se%20harm.

As far as axes.  You can carry an axe wherever you like unless it’s strictly prohibited. Like A courthouse, an axe would be prohibited. Or probably the subway in New York.  But nobody would care about you just having one in your car to have.  Unless you use it as a threat.  But in most places not much is going to happen if you use a hatchet to defend yourself from a carjacker as an example.  But you might be bringing an axe to a gun fight.

Where you would also have to go beyond a reasonable doubt the axe was being used as a threat for a conviction.  But brandishing laws are pretty clear. 

For bows that are strung.  It’s against the law to transport them strung unless locked in a case for many areas.  

If this happened in the USA.  The girl could state she was just practicing axe throwing.  Then it would be on the burden of the prosecution to prove she was guilty where one is thought innocent until proven otherwise.  The burden is on the court.  The burden isn’t on the individual.  

But that’s not always the case.  I’ve always like finding bird feathers in the yard.  I could be fined and or jailed for just having feathers from certain birds.  But it’s not applicable to Native Americans in the same way.


Added.  Most knifes are legal unless prohibited if they are under three or four inches.  But not really a restriction having in a car.  Probably depends on city and state.  But I can have a machete in my car no questions asked where I live.

[Oldcarpy2]

This may help re the law on carrying bladed articles in public places:

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

No one over here has a problem with this.  Except criminals.

[andy06shake]

An arrest is not a conviction. They simply did not state a lawful reason for carrying and were arrested. If they continue to do so, however, the arresting charge will stick. I dont see anything wrong there. Usually I agree with you wallflower but this seems pretty reasonable. If I had to guess, they will probably be released soon enough with a scolding and this will all be forgotten about. The couple who were filming were apparently a Bulgarian couple, according to this https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r40gylxpwo , and not what social media has twisted them to be. They handled it how they handled it, the girls were arrested for how they handled it, and thats that.

The young girl is under 16, so her case will be heard through something called "Scotland's children's hearing system."

It takes a less formal approach than the courts, which is a good thing given that there are offensive weapons involved. 

She will need to attend the hearing with her parents or guardian, and they will decide as to what happens next.

Or if the likes of social work should become involved.