"Satan's Little Season" is underway; tribulation & final judgment next up...?

[andy06shake]

You just added to my point, thank you. The 'mud flood' BS was added to the Tartaria conspiracy much later, as well. Forgot to add that one. This just furthers my point more. No one is willing to talk about Tartaria, without bringing up later added BS like flat earth, Satan's little season, and mud floods. So the whole subject gets squashed because of later added BS.

I'm not coming down on you because the OP did this to himself by bringing that crap up.

I'm just responding to the Op buddy and the associated subjects.

I'll quite happily discuss the conspiracy.

But we can't ignore real recorded history and facts.

I mean, entertaining the notion, as far as i understand the theory, basically ignores thousands of years of real Asian history.

[UltraBudgie]

But we can't ignore real recorded history and facts.

Sure we can.

"History is written by the victors."

"Facts are selected by the powerful."

"The truth is always hidden."

See how easy it is?

[andy06shake]

Sure we can.

"History is written by the victors."

"Facts are selected by the powerful."

"The truth is always hidden."

See how easy it is?

Saying it's one thing.

But doing so is another matter.

History isn't always just what victors write, when we have multiple sources, archaeology, and records from different sides and places.

And facts aren't only chosen by the powerful as much as we might like to claim.

Yes, some truths can be hidden and distorted.

But a lot of historical knowledge comes from careful investigation.

Thinking the truth is always hidden ignores centuries of research, discoveries, and documented finds.

It's ok to distrust evidence, but making up elaborate stories in place of actual facts hardly amounts to critical thinking imho. 

[Maxmars]

Bringing this up is not a problem at all.

The notion that it being 'settled by consensus' is why the discussion has value, even in and of itself.

I for one, would very much enjoy hearing about the timeline, not of Tartaria, but of the growth and movement of the legend itself... how exactly does a story 'get added to' something like this?  Why the mud flood account, etc became artificially entwined with a lost civilization story?

But I guess we can resent the discussion...

[andy06shake]

Bringing this up is not a problem at all.

The notion that it being 'settled by consensus' is why the discussion has value, even in and of itself.

I for one, would very much enjoy hearing about the timeline, not of Tartaria, but of the growth and movement of the legend itself... how exactly does a story 'get added to' something like this?  Why the mud flood account, etc became artificially entwined with a lost civilization story?

But I guess we can resent the discussion...

I would have thought the likes of the mud flood aspect was added to explain the other gaps or inconsistencies in the theory, aka the lack of archaeological evidence, missing historical records.

As far as i understand Tartaria theory, it ignores major parts of history, including the Mongol Empire, and even the Ming and Qing Chinese dynasties, not to mention established historical trade networks like the Silk Road.

[SurferSoul]

I think Tartaria is a mash up of lesser known history with other historical oddities thrown in. The original theory looks a lot like the actual Austrian Empire with a bit of Prussian and Russian thrown in. Going of the heraldic motifs they are mostly the coat of arms of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Not many people have even heard of this, I certainly wasn’t taught anything about it in history at school. 
There’s a lot of fascinating stuff about this timeline in history with empires vying for control of various states, names changing and even the birth of Germany from collection of small principalities. Think of Istanbul the former Constantinople etc..

Many, many conspiracies were afoot in those days…

[Unknownparadox]

It is my contention, after studying the flat earth theory for some time, that Satan's Masterplan included some 'cornerstone' ideas, which would serve to distract & dissuade Mankind from belief in God, one of which being the 'globe Earth' conspiracy.  If he could prove to Mankind that they lived on a spinning ball in the vast cold, dead, empty, godless void of 'outer space', then there would be no need to acknowledge the Cosmic Architect who had crafted a flat realm with an infinite eternal universe of Heaven expanding in all directions forever just beyond the realm of the Earth, 

If I read that correctly. That makes no sense.

The only difference between what you are describing and what science says is, a flat earth or a spherical earth. You don't need a dome over the flat earth to protect it from from heaven. I wouldn't think. And technically we have a dome over the planet. It's called a atmosphere.

I would also think. With the millions if not billions churches collect yearly. Someone could have financed a trip to the edge of the earth by now. Keep in mind there is 360 degrees of direction to travel. So surely one direction or the other would lead to the edge that is accessible. And why this isn't a high priority of churches, I'll never know. Since it would end all the debate, denial and discussion.

[UltraBudgie]

If you are responsive to the threads you create, it is much easier to accommodate the ebb and flow of other voices...  if you don't remain involved. other voices will fill the gap...

Good advice Maxmars, but I guess that's not going to happen. OP posted this thread, left the site 20 minutes later, and hasn't been back since.

[Maxmars]

Good advice Maxmars, but I guess that's not going to happen. OP posted this thread, left the site 20 minutes later, and hasn't been back since.

Well, patience is a virtue....
or the author could be reviewing the objections so stridently brought forth.
or it was a 'drop' and ditch bot tactic,
or someone who needs help with the system, or interface...
or so unaccustomed to actual engagement, rather than 'industrial social media' that they were taken aback...

Perhaps the response was not anticipated... or undesired....

We could only speculate.

Come on back!

[UltraBudgie]

What is normal for society? Seems to me Tartaria is a search for an explanation. Two possibilities:

- Past-people much more advanced in many ways, built amazing craftsmanship homes/buildings. Even accounting for survivorship bias, why/how was so much effort put in, with such a smaller population and economy? There was an aberration in past, now is normal.

- Today-people degraded in some way, have lost much ability to create beautiful things, past was normal, now is an aberration. Was there deliberate destruction of the past to hide this?

Which is it? Or is it not either/or, and what explains it all?