Safe town?

[Raptured]

I find it oddly interesting that the whole "receives automatic benefits from the gubment" is even a discussion on this topic.

There is another culture here in this country that since the 60's, has been nothing but a drain on our society.  Entire generations of people that marry the social-benefits system, never work, produce nothing, contribute nothing (except crime) yet once they raise their voice, cause people to pause and get scared.    Nothing is EVER talked about in regards to this.

[sahgwa]

Attempted simple answer. And it really is simple as an ostrich with its head in the sand.

I don't see it in my border city.

I live in the safest major American city across from from the most violent Mexican city. And only money, contraband, and workforce seem to cross the border.

The same gangs that kill 2400 people a year in TJ also purposely keep it on their side of the fence. We just see their destructive products, with no discernable rise in violent crime resulting.

22% of the city's population is foreign born. 180,000 people in the county are undocumented. 68,000 in the city alone..

In 2024, in the year of immigrants allegedly destroying my country and causing me harm, we had 35 homicides, less drug-related crimes, less theft, and less rape in a city of 1.3 million

They haven't hurt my city. It's not in my border adjacent back yard, so to speak.

All they do is benefit and add to my city. Multiculturalism is awesome. Great food. Crime went down as the naturaluzed people escaped California and illegal migrants took their place. Which is what happened between 2023 and 2024 to actually cause population growth.

And so there is some clarity:

I prefer they make it SO EASY (Like Ellis Island easy) that they don't even try to not turn themselves in. The system I like, puts resources towards documenting and speeding up their entry, not keeping them out. Or this mean shit we are doing.

I support their efforts to live their dream, even if they want to do it break entry rules doing it. In the way I dont criticize the parent stealing bread to feed hungry kids. They're found out as soon as the get arrested anyway. So it's like a natural filter that catches them if they deserve to be caught. And then they are documented. Otherwise they're paying rent, buying crap, and not really harming anyone unless you want to say indirectly though "my taxes."

As far as question two. No. It isn't my country to have an opinion on.

Done editing.

So to put it actually simple, the reason you think it is okay to break the law and 'immigrate' illegally is because 
a. you personally don't see any negative consequences of it around you and 
b. you see it as a benefit because 'multiculturalism is awesome' and 'great food' 
c. you personally see no rise in crime around you

Got it. thank you.

[xuenchen]

Maybe the ones with "No Criminal Record" are First time offenders 
First Time for Everything right?
 

In San Diego County, there were 47,928 people held in ICE detention as of April 6, 2025. Of these, 22,249 (46.4%) had no criminal record.

"Why are 46% of the people held without criminal record if Trump is only targeting criminals?"

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Please explain this multiculturalism you mention.

Sure. I mean multiculturalism in having a city made up of smaller cultural hubs, like most immigrant cities.

Having the Vietnamese of "Little Saigon" (aka Boulevard), and then the all-purpose Asian district "Convoy," The Jewish people of La Jolla/UTC, The Indians of Mira Mesa, The white people of the beaches, the South American people of the beaches, The East Africans of City Heights, The Mexicans of everywhere, The Arabs/Kurds/Chaldeans of El Cajon, La Mesa, and Clairemont, The Filipinos of National City, and on and on in our deceptively "multicultural" metropolis of transplants.

And the best part of that is the food. And then the fusion food.

Like you get an Indian-themed pizza place run by people who speak Arabic. There are 12 places within a mile or so where I can get Penang Curry with Tofu or Squid and thai spice made by someone from Thailand.

Sorry for this to be so enjoyment-centered, but my experience with multiculturalism is eating and going to festivals like Lunar New Year, Day of the Dead, everything at the park is always multicultural.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

Maybe the ones with "No Criminal Record" are First time offenders 
First Time for Everything right?

And that'd be where my position differs.

I'm one of those influencing the police departments to not assist, because I think it's a messed up loophole. Like the ones that lived here 15 years, had 3 naturalized children, and was a successful construction worker with no criminality other than being illegal.

Too many of those "first-time" 22k are like that example, and I feel for them and sympathize with them being torn from their established lives and family.

Obama and Biden deported more people without using intimidating officers to traumatize their children in the process. And they wouldn't have separated the first time offenders from family so callously before deportation. It's the chest-puffing little boys with guns tactics. Humiliate. Dehumanized. Traumatize. It's the method used, not the number.

I cry worldly tears for the lost humility and would cease to exist as myself the day that stops happening.

No amount of yelling could ever stop me siding with the 15 year illegal torn from his crying daughter because he broke a rule a decade and half ago. No amount of "He broke the rules, you should be happy they're destroying his life" makes me stop tearing up at the thought or his traumatized children. And it's not even a "for the children" pandering argument, that's just what literally makes me cry, seeing his life destroyed and more children traumatized by things they can't control.

And these are living children. If they were all embryonic I'd have no problem getting support to protect them from harm.

It's like criminalizing being a defense attorney. How dare you advocate for the rights of a criminal unless it's your job! And even if it is your job! That's why I'm glad I'm not an immigration lawyer. I might accidentally get served a notice to leave the country.

And it further hurts to watch my country get deliberately divided into one that angrily proclaims my position is so Un-American it's NOW in need of purging, because that doesn't help the fascist thing any.

Sorry to keep editing, but I want to make sure the scarlet letter is worded correctly and nothing was missed. Spelling optional.

[KTemplar]

IP


I have also lived in a border state, AZ to be exact. In a really safe neighborhood, but one town away they were finding heads in dumpsters, and this was back in 2007

Just because you don’t see crime, doesn’t mean there isn’t an underworld of fentanyl /cocaine, meth, human trafficking.

I have actually met a few cartel members, and trust me they don’t FA.

[KTemplar]

I find it oddly interesting that the whole "receives automatic benefits from the gubment" is even a discussion on this topic.

There is another culture here in this country that since the 60's, has been nothing but a drain on our society.  Entire generations of people that marry the social-benefits system, never work, produce nothing, contribute nothing (except crime) yet once they raise their voice, cause people to pause and get scared.    Nothing is EVER talked about in regards to this.

The generational recipients are more often than not been through severe trauma. I was once in a domestic violence shelter and it was heartbreaking to learn what these kids went through. Then it is very hard for them to find therapists because many therapists won’t take their insurance.

The shelter I was in was not state or federally funded, it was entirely non profit paid for. I also have worked in a few schools and can recognize traumatized children quite easily, and what I witnessed were a bunch of heartless teachers make insulting comments about these kids not having a father! Like really bish, blame the child smh. So what you then have is a child who acts out, gets bullied, ends up hanging with the wrong crowd and possibly juvie/jail, sometimes for just missing school. Now no one will hire them, what are they supposed to do?

Sadly, the kids fall throw the cracks and don’t get the help they need. Yet I hear we need to have more babies!

We need to have more compassion for children and think about their futures, and get more trade training programs imo.

Maybe some people like being lifers on the system, but I’ll bet they’d rather have a decent job and a home of their own. Or at least most of them!


I did have one neighbor in AZ who recommended to their children to start having kids for more benefits. I know this because their daughter hung out with my son, and she was sad because she told us she wanted to go to college. She was 8 yrs old. The family disappeared in tge middle of the night. I still think about her and hope she got her dream ?

[chivo]

Everything is ok guys, we can get Indian style pizza prepared by Mexicans, attended by Venezuelans with tattoos on their face. That's multi-fun!!

(Edit) Sorry I forgot how exciting is to live in a town controlled by drug gangs. That multi cultural flavor is at it best under your designated cartel

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

We might not really count because we are the largest border city in the busiest sector, and being 20 miles from the world busiest border crossing might skew data. The criminals all see our city first.

That is probably why we don't notice the multinational gangs with face tattoos or any related increase in crime. They skip over us and go to Ohio.

There were only 155,000 migrants released in our county from Sep 2023 to June 2024 and only 25,000 or so stayed. We even got a few thousand new Haitian ones, but they haven't been noticed eating the seagulls yet.

Homicides (20%), shootings (30%), robberies (11%), rape (11%), car theft (20%), hate crimes (10%), and prostitution (16%) all going down by sizable percentages does not mean that this entire premise you've been sold about an invasion of criminals is total bullshit or anything, it just means MY particular democrat city is a VERY inconvenient example of their negative impact.

But the sensationalism does do some good. Because it makes naturalized residents escape to other states and lets the 25k immigrants replace them, which causes crime to go down, as seen in 2024, the year of the Migrant Crime Invasion..

Y por eso lo principal que vemos es la pizza multicultural.

[KTemplar]

IP do you live in San Diego?

I actually have friends from SD, it’s going downhill from what I’ve heard. Super expensive, but I’m pretty sure that’s a California thing, plenty of people fleeing there.


So according to you, we should all just accept this increase in crime, and flooding of our system (which is not sustainable) so you can enjoy your food because the crime hasn’t affected you?

The fact that there are so many missing children still that crossed the border with mules is terrible enough, Nevermind what they probably went through on their way here. People would not subject themselves to such horror to come to a strange country if they were not benefitting greatly.

Is it really that impossible to make their country great again?

Well, I can tell you this. I met a complete db girl in Tempe once at a cookout that bragged to me that she would never buy a house here. She was getting free ride at ASU, working at crapplebees and dealing drugs and bringing all the money home to Mexico every weekend. That opened my eyes!

She wasn’t the only person I met that hated this country, but was right there to take whatever they could so spare me your menu preferences.