Safe town?

[UltraBudgie]

Well, I can tell you this. I met a complete db girl in Tempe once at a cookout that bragged to me that she would never buy a house here. She was getting free ride at ASU, working at crapplebees and dealing drugs and bringing all the money home to Mexico every weekend. That opened my eyes!

She wasn’t the only person I met that hated this country, but was right there to take whatever they could so spare me your menu preferences.

So is it a matter of lived experience or latent predisposition, I wonder? Sometimes all it seems to take is one impactful experience to change someone from "multicultural kumbaya" to "maga ethnocleanse". No acknowledgement or conative dissonance needed. Are these just excuses we make for ourselves?

Even though I say level Gaza entirly, relocate the population to Aleppo, tell them to rebuild that instead, and build freaking gentrified condos for Israel. Egypt will appreciate the better neighbor.

[SurferSoul]

I used to go on about this before but basically what’s happening in the entire west (or 1st world) is the enactment of agenda 2030. It states they want equality between all countries, but they can’t and know they can’t bring up the 3rd world to the living standards of the first world, so what they can do is bring down the 1st world to that of the 3rd world.
This isn’t intended for everyone, of course not, all you have to do is look at the affluent gated communities in many third world cities, surrounded by slums. One of the reasons for the influx of illegal immigrants is that they never had the privileges and rights we won in the west, (by we I mean are recent ancestors) and therefore won’t complain when they are gone.
Among other reasons, the influx 3rd world migrants serves a bigger longer term agenda.
I have nothing against these people, they are victims of lunatic megalomaniacs even more than we are, and from their perspective, most are just trying for a better life.

As for the virtue signalers, well that description explains them well enough. They are doing more to feel self righteous than out of genuine empathy for others.

[sahgwa]

So is it a matter of lived experience or latent predisposition, I wonder? Sometimes all it seems to take is one impactful experience to change someone from "multicultural kumbaya" to "maga ethnocleanse". No acknowledgement or conative dissonance needed. Are these just excuses we make for ourselves?

Yo bro, why we gotta be extreme? Can't we simply be rational and instead of concentration-glamping-genocide or free-love-needle-kidnapping-in-the-street, and go in the middle like, immigrate legally, pay the money, wait the time, get vetted, and then enjoy starting up your new life and business/job?
No need to be all flippy floppy, bro.
:p

[sahgwa]

 so what they can do is bring down the 1st world to that of the 3rd world.
This isn’t intended for everyone, of course not, all you have to do is look at the affluent gated communities in many third world cities, surrounded by slums. One of the reasons for the influx of illegal immigrants is that they never had the privileges and rights we won in the west, (by we I mean are recent ancestors) and therefore won’t complain when they are gone.

The wet dream of the globalist elite scumbags who a lot of people here pretend do not exist or (are attempting to physically) effect their lives , is everyone in a barrio with no public services or sanitation, working in a sweatshop to provide luxury goods and probably organs and sex slaves for the ones at the top.  No middle class or culture for the masses allowed.  Therefore, the mixing, no borders, crime up thing, is of course on purpose.

[KTemplar]

So is it a matter of lived experience or latent predisposition, I wonder? Sometimes all it seems to take is one impactful experience to change someone from "multicultural kumbaya" to "maga ethnocleanse". No acknowledgement or conative dissonance needed. Are these just excuses we make for ourselves?

I have witnessed so much while living in AZ. I wouldn’t have if my ex bil didn’t live in Tempe. Unfortunately I saw some shit at cookouts and other places. I only went to two cookouts, and told my ex we are never going to another one after the girl bragged to me about taking advantage of America to bring it back to Mexico to enrich her life there, all the while insulting America. It does change your perspective on things.

The other things I witnessed and experienced I cannot speak about for obvious safety reasons. I have no idea of names even, only one ahole ex bil.

I also experienced harrassment from illegals multiple times and by several different people. Four Haitian broads flanked me in my parking lot one night after work because, I’m guessing, I was driving too slow over a speed bump. They were so close to me it was scary; I managed to whip into a parking spot, and they were surrounding me til one of them must have noticed all the cameras and told the others to come back. Yeah, it’s safe to say I’m sick of it.

This invasion of our country is also not sustainable. It’s just plain and simple.

Right now the USA is a sinking ship; if you’re sinking why would you take on more people? To sink faster.

I truly believe if anyone can fix our economy it is President Donald Trump! It is going to take time, it took 4 years of complete irresponsibility and pure waste under Biden, it can’t be fixed overnight.

[KTemplar]

So is it a matter of lived experience or latent predisposition, I wonder? Sometimes all it seems to take is one impactful experience to change someone from "multicultural kumbaya" to "maga ethnocleanse". No acknowledgement or conative dissonance needed. Are these just excuses we make for ourselves?

It’s reality dude, and I can do math! This is unsustainable period. It would turn into a civil war if an Agenda like that was to be pushed through. In my blue state alone, there were over 500 replies to the original post I read that was local to me, and the majority were pissed about safe towns/sanctuary cities. People are getting tax increases on property bills, electric bills are insane (although that was a Maura Healy green deal idea that caused that), but they also are trying to increase everyone’s prescription costs to pay for housing illegals in hotels. When does it end, when the majority are homeless?

Entering legally will help with the flow and screen out criminals, why is that so bad?

[KTemplar]

Everything is ok guys, we can get Indian style pizza prepared by Mexicans, attended by Venezuelans with tattoos on their face. That's multi-fun!!

(Edit) Sorry I forgot how exciting is to live in a town controlled by drug gangs. That multi cultural flavor is at it best under your designated cartel

lol, reminds me of my one visit to the AZ State fair, horrifying. Gangs about to go at it in the kiddie ride section, and I’m talking hundreds, til gang unit swept in. Thank God. I left immediately after!

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

So is it a matter of lived experience or latent predisposition, I wonder? Sometimes all it seems to take is one impactful experience to change someone from "multicultural kumbaya" to "maga ethnocleanse". No acknowledgement or conative dissonance needed. Are these just excuses we make for ourselves?

Well that's an inconvenient quote for my argument.

But I think I found a way out of it...

Gaza is... probably the only trolling I agreed with Trump on. And one of the hard lines he's taken that I think he's actually being pragmatic and encouraging peace. In a roundabout way. Gaza earned my troll sentiment letting Iran use them to wage their Islamic Revolution war from as close as possible to Israel.

But there is an unexpected comparison to make here.

The hatred of Israel as seen in Palestine/Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Yemen, etc is very similar to the hatred against illegal immigrants in the US.

It's viral hatred based on selective incidents to rile people up. Same sensational use of incidents to promote a specific atrocity narrative.

For example, in Israel you'll have the oft IDF soldier that does something screwed up during a legal relocation that goes viral. And then one that opens fire in self defense that gets called unprovoked. Every incident used. All gets blown up to "the endless atrocities in the west bank."

The more isolated incidents are harnessed and made to seem endemic. How things are . Now it's, "IDF are cruel, oppressive, and Israel is an Apartheid state."

How much of that is deliberate Muslim propaganda and victim cards?

That same mechanism get used to turn rare incidents of immigrants committing crime into that same type of endemic behavior to rally against.

[IdeomotorPrisoner]

As for the thread, call it a Testament to my stubbornness.

I think I have one more attempt to convince nobody in me.

I feel I should be on the front lines of the immigrant crisis observations. I feel my city, as a broke liberal run sanctuary city, should be falling apart. Like the rhetoric says it should be. But it's not. In the year it was supposed to being overrun with miscreants it's crime dropped and population increased from immigrants alone. 24k net gain.

The cognitive dissonance is being told this endemic problem somehow skips us. Especially considering how many of them from all over the world stayed. Venezuela and Haiti included.

I thought, "did the bad ones go to LA? LA County had a 110,000 immigrants net gain in 2024."

In Los Angeles, overall crime declined citywide in 2024, including a significant drop in homicides. Specifically, homicides decreased by 14% compared to the previous year. Shootings, aggravated assaults, rapes, and robberies also saw decreases. Property crime was down by 6.7%.

There's another liberal sanctuary immigrant city that saw a "significant" decease in crime the year of an immigrant explosion.

So Aurora, CO should be exploding in crime. That's where all the bad Venezuelans went.

In Aurora, Colorado, the violent crime rate decreased by 2% from 2024 Q1 to 2024 Q2, reaching the lowest rate in the past three years. 

Everywhere I was told to look to see immigrants crime I see the same drop in crime from a high in 2021. Nothing in the overall statistic trend.

One more city. The one I lived in from 1993 to 2007. Did Tucson, AZ see an increase in crime in 2024?

In 2024, Tucson's crime rate experienced a mixed bag. While some categories, like homicides, saw increases, overall crime rates were down compared to the previous year and the five-year average. Specifically, homicides increased by 13 from 2023, reaching 66, but were below the recent high of 77 in 2021. 

Hey, a rare increase in 2024. But once again, it was following the trend of "down from 2021" in America's Ugliest City.

Trump said crime was at an all time high. Fox says it's at endemic levels. And they both find selective drug examples to support it. But every other crime category says something else.

Crime decreased every year 2021-2024.
Immigrant numbers increased every year 2021-2024.

That's the cognitive dissonance that supports this problem was mostly sensationalized. A REAL problem is reflected by statistics and correlation in the violent categories you use, like rape. The correlation says crime happened when the rent moratorium and lockdowns ended. Homegrown economic problems = crime. Having almost nothing to do with amount of freaking immigrants that showed up.

Like all you have to do is call all fact checks false to say and use anything you want.

I really feel like the person calling out the manipulative sociopath that still has everyone else snowed. Trying in vain to get them to see, "Can't you see they're just lying to you and using you!"

But because that's what they just said about us for 4 years, it really doesn't go anywhere.

[Shoshanna]

There is a heated debate going on in my town (Taxachusetts til I retire).

There are some people who appear to be linked to a supposed Soros funded group trying to pass a safe city act where I live. Basically the wording (their word salad) is that this will relieve the officers in our town of having to help ICE. According to these fools, they claim they don’t want to have to pay officers extra to assist ICE. Then the delusional clowns are crying about the Garcia gang member (who was suspected of human trafficking in TN) being sent to El Salvador claiming it’s a slippery slope and we could be next.

Of course my comments were deleted. I have notified everyone I know to show up to vote it down.

Is any other town out there experiencing this?


I seriously cannot understand tying the hands of law enforcement at the expense of innocent taxpayer paying Americans.

I personally know 3 people who were hit in car accidents by illegals who had no licenses, insurance, Id; so the people I know were left paying the deductibles for an accident they didn’t cause while the illegal is allowed to walk way. Now all of our car insurance goes up.

I overheard a woman at the grocery store on the phone talking to her lawyer two weeks ago because while in the hospital in Dec 2024, her roommate from Haiti was positive for TB. She was notified a month later. So I guess bringing back measles, tuberculosis and other eradicated diseases is now acceptable as well?

I’ve seen a few of these crazy women in public with signs, and they all look mad as hell. Like deranged mad. Destroying property (how do they sleep at night?). I bet none of these paid idiots have ever suffered in their lives. How did people lose common sense? Every video I’ve seen of these older white women screaming at town halls look like angry fools grandstanding for 5 minutes to feel important imo. What a disgrace!

The math ain’t mathing as David Schweikert would say!

Does anyone know where I can report this crazy activist group?

This sounds crazy. I don't really understand the premise. So they don't want to pay the cops extra to help ICE so....theyre hiring more ICE or are they having volunteers or will ICE just be doing less apprehensions? I tried searching around and couldn't find anything other than "safer cities" but it is a federal thing not just at state level.

I was waiting at a stop sign one time and the guy in front of me was a little far out into traffic. I backed up so he could back up which he did straight into my car! We both got out of our cars and I started to approach him already dialing the cops and he jumped back in his car and sped off. I don't know if he was illegal or not but it was annoying because I had to get a new bumper for my car and it wasn't that cheap.