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(02-02-2026, 02:35 PM)Maxmars Wrote: Needless to add... thank you.. as you might understand... I'm very interested in where I veered off your mark.
(And also, needless to say, I do apologize for the wall of text.)
You are just being you, aren't you?
Evil Will Never Win.
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(02-01-2026, 05:24 AM)LightAngel Wrote: Even if there is a hidden group of people doing their best to control everybody, then they can't unless you let them.
Awareness breaks manipulation, so always remember that nobody controls you, but you!
We really need a psychological shift that changes how people relate to their own life, and communities.
What do you think?
this is a dumb statement
it is like telling a person who is in prison that they are only as imprisoned as they allow themselves to believe they are
the reason force and coercion are a thing is because force and coercion work
i suppose you can hallucinate anything you want though
but you don't get to call it reality and demand people agree
in fact attitudes like you have presented are one of the most pernicious set of chains because they make struggle intractable, offering only ways to attack one's self for improper attitude, rather than a lever for actually changing the world
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For some reason, this always springs to mind when recognising power comes up.
What can i say, i was a child of the 80s.
"Yet so it is, we see the illiterate bulk of mankind that walk the high-road of plain common sense, and are governed by the dictates of nature, for the most part easy and undisturbed. To them nothing that is familiar appears unaccountable or difficult to comprehend."
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https://youtu.be/plX-T76OFxc?si=LaO7b4vhyhbq5WU8
This is the thread I had in mind when I saved this 10 minute video last night.
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(02-04-2026, 08:16 AM)Britseye Wrote: https://youtu.be/plX-T76OFxc?si=LaO7b4vhyhbq5WU8
This is the thread I had in mind when I saved this 10 minute video last night.
lol quite true, i confuse/amuse/annoy liberals by arguing that he is the perfectly representative american president
they don't know whether to defend against my criticisms of profane america or agree with my disparagement of trump
he doesn't just shit his pants, he shits america's pants
for all of us
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(02-04-2026, 07:59 AM)UltraBudgie Wrote: this is a dumb statement
it is like telling a person who is in prison that they are only as imprisoned as they allow themselves to believe they are
the reason force and coercion are a thing is because force and coercion work
i suppose you can hallucinate anything you want though
but you don't get to call it reality and demand people agree
in fact attitudes like you have presented are one of the most pernicious set of chains because they make struggle intractable, offering only ways to attack one's self for improper attitude, rather than a lever for actually changing the world
It's not "dumb" it's accurate
Simply put
Collective shared beliefs are the foundation of the systems we function within
Changing collective beliefs changes the system
Problem is 99% of the collective is incapable of changing their own minds
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(02-04-2026, 11:58 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: It's not "dumb" it's accurate
Simply put
Collective shared beliefs are the foundation of the systems we function within
Changing collective beliefs changes the system
Problem is 99% of the collective is incapable of changing their own minds
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(02-04-2026, 11:58 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: It's not "dumb" it's accurate
Simply put
Collective shared beliefs are the foundation of the systems we function within
Changing collective beliefs changes the system
Problem is 99% of the collective is incapable of changing their own minds
actions, experience, and necessity change beliefs. not buying in to starry-eyed hopium unanchored in reality. what you are describing is akin to mass formation psychosis:
https://carolinelindon.substack.com/p/th...-formation
which results in conformity, impotence, incoherence, or in the worst case destructive chaos
actual change begins with coalition-building, uniting a diversity of beliefs around various ways of seeing a tangible truth about reality, from which coherent evolutionary action can be taken. if viable, the results of that action are experienced, processed, and serve to refine the beliefs of the participants to be increasingly unified. that is how actual social movements happen.
you are putting the cart before the horses, which doesn't work, and the idea that it does is actually a tool of preventing change that is being used against you.
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(02-04-2026, 12:25 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: actions, experience, and necessity change beliefs. not buying in to starry-eyed hopium unanchored in reality. what you are describing is akin to mass formation psychosis:
https://carolinelindon.substack.com/p/th...-formation
which results in conformity, impotence, incoherence, or in the worst case destructive chaos
actual change begins with coalition-building, uniting a diversity of beliefs around various ways of seeing a tangible truth about reality, from which coherent evolutionary action can be taken. if viable, the results of that action are experienced, processed, and serve to refine the beliefs of the participants to be increasingly unified. that is how actual social movements happen.
you are putting the cart before the horses, which doesn't work, and the idea that it does is actually a tool of preventing change that is being used against you.
We are already in mass formation psychosis
Actual change begins at the individual level with the sincere desire for authentic growth
Get enough individuals thinking this way, then it's possible to trigger the 100 monkey effect
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(02-04-2026, 12:25 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: actions, experience, and necessity change beliefs. not buying in to starry-eyed hopium unanchored in reality. what you are describing is akin to mass formation psychosis:
https://carolinelindon.substack.com/p/th...-formation
which results in conformity, impotence, incoherence, or in the worst case destructive chaos
actual change begins with coalition-building, uniting a diversity of beliefs around various ways of seeing a tangible truth about reality, from which coherent evolutionary action can be taken. if viable, the results of that action are experienced, processed, and serve to refine the beliefs of the participants to be increasingly unified. that is how actual social movements happen.
you are putting the cart before the horses, which doesn't work, and the idea that it does is actually a tool of preventing change that is being used against you.
And yet... despite this reality of the drama and conflict of disagreement; when and if the "ideal" is accepted as a baseline, or drumbeat, of any effort... it appears at least to work... at least to some degree.
Consensus does represent power in a social environment... as in, stranded alone on a desert island it's a wast of time. Just as with insanity... it bears little or no meaning.
Perhaps the distinction lies in accepting the human harmonics around you... or not.
(... and we're back to choice.)
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