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02-01-2026, 04:37 PM
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(02-01-2026, 01:26 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: I remember having read something similar on ATS. How thoughts, its form and content affect the nervous system and 'reshape' it. In other words, it is 'malleable' in relation to conscious 'state'.
'Intent' is yet another one that seems to have 'effects' on the body, maybe akin to 'physical preparations' before the 'act'?
Yes
From my pov the intention is:
Rewire brain through repetition
Maintain focused attention
Self regulate nervous system
Until your dominant state is aligned with your new identity
Brainwash yourself every day until your reality matches your expectations
it’s not magic, belief systems drive self-fulfilling prophecies
the placebo effect is one of the most replicated findings in medicine with 30–40% response rates in areas like pain, immune response, and performance, documented across decades of clinical trials
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(02-01-2026, 02:20 PM)ANNEE Wrote: I completely agree with you.
However — when you’re raised in an ideology — it isn’t always easy to step out of that and take charge of your own independence.
I was raised in the 50’s. Ideologies and social control were stronger during these years.
Then came the “break free” — be yourself hippie era — where social constraints were tossed aside.
I think we’re swinging back more now — but some free thinking and acceptance of people that don’t fit the norm can’t be shoved back in the box.
We need to accept these differences to move forward.
STUCK is never a place I want to be.
Yes, but accepting difference never means accepting wrongdoing.
Because love must not be blind.
I think real love protects. It refuses to excuse cruelty or allow harm to go unchecked.
When love is paired with boundaries, it becomes a force for dignity and justice.
It teaches us to honor each person's humanity while standing firmly against actions that violate it.
Love really is the strongest force in the universe.
True love is strong because it is honest and it refuses to collapse under pressure.
True love insists on truth, and the protection of the vulnerable.
Wow, I got a little carried away with all the love talk.
It is just one of these days I guess.
Evil Will Never Win.
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(02-01-2026, 01:26 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: I remember having read something similar on ATS. How thoughts, its form and content affect the nervous system and 'reshape' it. In other words, it is 'malleable' in relation to conscious 'state'.
'Intent' is yet another one that seems to have 'effects' on the body, maybe akin to 'physical preparations' before the 'act'?
The body is like an IV bag linked up with the brain where the mind is the nurse injecting chemicals but also the patient.
Everything has a chemical effect, we've got like 5 systems based around the nervous system, then there's the endocrine system (hormones) so yes, even your thoughts have an effect on the being. Hence my metaphor above about the being.
The vast majority do not know what the nurse is doing, which is to be expected as we're highly complex beings with a very complicated system.
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(02-02-2026, 04:25 AM)Ray1990 Wrote: The body is like an IV bag linked up with the brain where the mind is the nurse injecting chemicals but also the patient.
Everything has a chemical effect, we've got like 5 systems based around the nervous system, then there's the endocrine system (hormones) so yes, even your thoughts have an effect on the being. Hence my metaphor above about the being.
The vast majority do not know what the nurse is doing, which is to be expected as we're highly complex beings with a very complicated system.
It's mostly why I'm wondering how much 'control' one has over its own thoughts. They are all open systems, made up of 'smaller' systems. It seems to be expected that those 'smaller' systems have their say in regards to the system they are a component of.
Maybe 'power' has to do with some kind of resonance between consciousness's 'layer' and those 'smaller' systems that form the body? Something like 'everything is on the same wavelenght'.
As far as the apple tree is concerned, there's probably not much difference between a worm and a human...
Et le ver en dit : - Il y a toujours un pépin dans la pomme...
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Thoughts can be powerful things. Choose them wisely!
In tune
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02-02-2026, 11:03 AM
This post was last modified: 02-02-2026, 11:08 AM by cherokeetroy. 
(02-02-2026, 07:14 AM)IgnorantGod Wrote: It's mostly why I'm wondering how much 'control' one has over its own thoughts. They are all open systems, made up of 'smaller' systems. It seems to be expected that those 'smaller' systems have their say in regards to the system they are a component of.
Maybe 'power' has to do with some kind of resonance between consciousness's 'layer' and those 'smaller' systems that form the body? Something like 'everything is on the same wavelenght'.
We don't have control over thoughts
For the most part, they're automated
When we are not present
But through the practice of Metacognition
We can become the observer of our thoughts
and gain more control over steering and guiding them
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(02-02-2026, 11:03 AM)cherokeetroy Wrote: [...]
But through the practice of Metacognition
We can become the observer of our thoughts
and gain more control over steering and guiding them
Well, from the first two paragraphs of the wiki page on metacognition, it seems like introspection as far as I understand. While one can indeed recognize some patterns in regards to the dynamic between reaction to stimuli and thoughts following such. Furthermore, one can then think about those thoughts, and their relation to the first, and then subsequent reactions to the stimuli.
However, in my opinion, it doesn't garantee that everytime such stimuli is 'encountered', one will have the same thoughts and/or reactions to the former event, since each 'interval' of sequential 'instances' of the body, and the environment, have different context. I guess that's where repetition comes into play, somewhat 'developing' an automatism between a specific stimuli and the body's reactions, allowing more 'influence' on thoughts and/or subsequent reactions.
Another thing I was wondering, if consciousness is the part whereas the 'output' of perception is fed back into the system as an 'input', for example, quality control of the data, would consciousness be 'located' in-between two or more processes from the body? Or could environmental processes, ergo from the 'external', would also be part of the feedback loop, and thus, also have components that 'form' consciousness, or its 'layer' it's experiencing from?
As far as the apple tree is concerned, there's probably not much difference between a worm and a human...
Et le ver en dit : - Il y a toujours un pépin dans la pomme...
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I arrived at a personal epiphany around 45 years ago. I was homeless, wasted on Sherm (angel dust) and cheap wine. How did I come to this point? surely I didn't deserve my fate; just a series of bad choices and wrong turns, it wasn't my FAULT!
I had backed myself up to a Church's Chicken, thinking some smartass might throw me a bone. I tried to determine whose fault it was, and who owed me, after all the people I'd helped out!!
And then everything slowed down (couldn't have anything to do with the angel dust, nope  ) and I observed that I was invisible, that not one of the hundreds of people who'd walked by my on Hollywood Blvd. had looked me in the eye. Nobody cared if I lived or died. Why should they, if I disrespected myself so much. And as everyone slowed down like walking through knee-deep molasses, I saw a woman turn to look at me. She was wearing a tie-die shawl, and appeared to be slender with dark hair streaked with gray. She looked me in the eyes and smiled and said, "this isn't your last days, is it? You have more to do. You can do it. Clean yourself up at the park showers. Go in the day. " She was not particularly beautiful and yet very striking. She turned and walked away.
That night I realized that things had happened to me of which I couldn't control, however everything and where I was and what I would do was my responsibility. After that I discarded words like guilt, fault, judgement, shame. I am human and I have fucked up. I will fuck up again, but rarely in a way that I have before. I have never believed that judgement belong to me. ETA: As I grow older, I have come to believe that we are defined by our ability to adapt.
This might read as self-indulgent and superior. Those who know me know that my avatar is my totem: gentle, slow, kindly creatures, unless molested. Now that I read this, I'm not certain it's on-topic. You all decide. Be safe and make someone laugh today.
"Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always". - Darielys Tejera/Spc. Douglas Jay Green/Robin Williams
"Pseudoscience, depending for its “truth” on consensus, is deeply hostile to challenge." - Rael Jean Isaac
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(02-01-2026, 02:20 PM)ANNEE Wrote: I completely agree with you.
However — when you’re raised in an ideology — it isn’t always easy to step out of that and take charge of your own independence.
I was raised in the 50’s. Ideologies and social control were stronger during these years.
Then came the “break free” — be yourself hippie era — where social constraints were tossed aside.
I think we’re swinging back more now — but some free thinking and acceptance of people that don’t fit the norm can’t be shoved back in the box.
We need to accept these differences to move forward.
STUCK is never a place I want to be.
There was a time when I was kind of a leaf on the wind. I think I sense that at one time from you also. That was not a bad thing; that was an immersion in complete and real-time personal and social freedom. However, -- at least for me -- it didn't really pay the bills.
I was faced with two parameters: Completely primal and living off the land (which I was capable of) or becoming at least semi-responsible with gainful employment (which felt like selling out, although I grew quite fond of things like clean sheets and towels)  You want to know the primary reason I didn't go primal? Such a way of life requires discipline and structure and social layers, unless you are choosing to do it on your own. I didn't think there were sufficiently bushcraft wise folk around me to make it work.
"Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always". - Darielys Tejera/Spc. Douglas Jay Green/Robin Williams
"Pseudoscience, depending for its “truth” on consensus, is deeply hostile to challenge." - Rael Jean Isaac
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(02-02-2026, 07:14 AM)IgnorantGod Wrote: It's mostly why I'm wondering how much 'control' one has over its own thoughts. They are all open systems, made up of 'smaller' systems. It seems to be expected that those 'smaller' systems have their say in regards to the system they are a component of.
Maybe 'power' has to do with some kind of resonance between consciousness's 'layer' and those 'smaller' systems that form the body? Something like 'everything is on the same wavelenght'.
I don't know.
I see thoughts/ideas as gravity wells, the big ones can suck you in. To form a nice and content orbit usually requires a bit information beforehand. Or I could just ask what's the difference between a Buddha and a Bodhisattva. My answer would be "nothing really, beyond the way they navigate the system"
If step 1 is realisation of one's own power step 2 is naturally going to be "what do I do with it?" That's when I usually have a snarky quote pointing out the rose tinted windscreen on your vessel. Yet, contentment is a learnt trait and hardly an acquired one.
The question of freewill is one of the biggest gravity wells out there... If it's in my power to put a stop sign on the approach I will. Not because I'm altruistic but because one day me or mine will have to navigate the debris field others left in their wake.
Step 3 is crash and burn. I'd like to think the OP is saying "learn to navigate" and then teach it if you can. The gravity of those around you should always be held more dear than the ones far off that demand a visit.
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