Questions for those who know Jesus

[quintessentone]

Strawman.  Deflection.   


Some of the wacky fake 'gospel of Thomas' stuff


Why we shouldn't trust the non-canonical gospels attributed to Thomas

Strawman, deflection...only because you choose to follow the given narrative. That's your perogative.

Christian in name only, not Christian in deeds, is what I see.

[Bootless]

I have the martyr thing in common?

Did Jesus always have a martyr thing?
Or was the trauma of hearing of John the Baptist's death a factor which brought on a seeming reckless disregard for his own life? 

I'm going to go with fluent in three. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.

Was Hebrew a separate language then or did Hebrews speak Aramaic at that time?
see discussion in posts #26 - #28 

Hebrew had sheol and The World To Come. Greeks had immortality of the soul. Persians had Paradise and Duzakh. There was enough kingdom of Heaven and Hell ideas. I think he actually combined all of the above.

Would that be like the dead saints(worthies) resting in sheol(bosom of Abraham?) awaiting the age to come for resurrection? (It's difficult to write a single question to cover all questions) While the dead evil doers are tormented  by the drujes overseen by Ahriman? In which case, Jesus didn't actually invent hell but simply endorsed it?

Abrahamic Anarchism?

My image of Abraham would be a landless nomad who had personal property, but homeless. He traveled around with flocks and slaves and had a wife. He made treaties with people who had land. He was a hydrologist, digging wells for the people he lived amongst. The only land that he purchased was a grave site for his wife, where he also was buried later by his two sons Ishmael(his first born) and Isaac (Sarah's first born).

Can you clarify the anarchism?

[FlyersFan]

So to claim someone from Galilee could speak all languages from around the globe is sheer lunacy.

A regular human couldn't.
But this is God incarnate we are talking about.
Who showed His power throughout his adult life.
Who knew the secret thoughts of people and their hearts and souls.
Who defied physics and performed great deeds that defy nature.
So IF THE GOSPEL is correct that He is God incarnate, 
then it would be sheer lunacy to believe that He could not speak all languages.

If the gospels are wrong about Him being God ... then never mind.

[FlyersFan]

Strawman, deflection...only because you choose to follow the given narrative. That's your perogative.

Christian in name only, not Christian in deeds, is what I see.

...only because you choose to follow the given narrative.

2,000 years of Christian theologians are not all a bunch of child molesters.  

Strawman and deflection on your part.

[quintessentone]

...only because you choose to follow the given narrative.

2,000 years of Christian theologians are not all a bunch of child molesters.  

Strawman and deflection on your part.

I didn't say they are 'all' a bunch of child molesters, but 'absolute power, absolute corruption' comes to mind.

We simply disagree on whether all of Jesus' teachings are included in that one book. I say they are not, you say they are. We will leave it at that.

[FlyersFan]

Christian in name only, not Christian in deeds, is what I see.

AGAIN - 

Why we shouldn't trust the non-canonical "gospels"

The earliest leaders of the Church also recognized the Gospel of Thomas was a late, inauthentic, heretical work. Hipploytus identified it as a fake and a heresy in “Refutation of All Heresies” (222-235AD), Origen referred to it in a similar way in a homily (written around 233AD), Eusebius resoundingly rejected it as an absurd, impious and heretical “fiction” in the third book of his “Church History” (written prior to 326AD), Cyril advised his followers to avoid the text as heretical in his “Catechesis” (347-348AD), and Pope Gelasius included the Gospel of Thomas in his list of heretical books in the 5th century.

So according to you .... Origen and Eusebius and Cyril and Hipplyotus and Pope Gelasius were all child molesters and weren't Christian?  Do you know who these people are?       You are a riot a minute.

[quintessentone]

AGAIN - 

Why we shouldn't trust the non-canonical "gospels"

So according to you .... Origen and Eusebius and Cyril and Hipplyotus and Pope Gelasius were all child molesters and weren't Christian?  Do you know who these people are?       You are a riot a minute.

Yeah, I read about all of them and how do you get that I said they are child molesters when I specifically posted the most recent, smallish, Christian child molesters that were arrested in my link above? Twist and turn others' intentions/words much?

It makes no difference because they followed narratives of their choosing and that included editing, re-interpretation, reinforcement of biases...shall I go on?

[FlyersFan]

Did Jesus always have a martyr thing?

Yes.  That was His whole purpose in coming from Heaven.

Look at what happened after the Last Supper.  He was with his apostles on the Mt of Olives in prayer when the crowd came to arrest Him and murder Him.   He spoke, power left Him, and everyone fell on the ground.  He could have stopped the murder.  He showed He had the power. But instead of stopping it, He willingly gave His life in sacrifice for sin.

[FlyersFan]

It makes no difference because they followed narratives of their choosing and that included editing, re-interpretation, reinforcement of biases...shall I go on?

That's what you are doing.
The early church fathers rejected them as fake.
Church theologians for 2,000 years have rejected them as fake.
They've been proven inauthentic and false.
As I've said ... historical fiction.  A little truth sprinkled in to a fake story.
But you've decided that you like them so you turn a blind eye to these facts.

[quintessentone]

That's what you are doing.
The early church fathers rejected them as fake.
Church theologians for 2,000 years have rejected them as fake.
They've been proven inauthentic and false.
As I've said ... historical fiction.  A little truth sprinkled in to a fake story.
But you've decided that you like them so you turn a blind eye to these facts.

I've decided to expand my knowledge of Jesus' teachings and his life and study and scrutinize the historical events that went into crafting and reinventing the Bible over time.

You do it your way, I'll do it my way.