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(12-16-2024, 08:03 AM)quintessentone Wrote: If you don't doubt Putin has NK soldiers, why ask for evidence that he does have them?
Again, as I said previously and of which you ignored, top government and military officials on both sides provided statements as proof. If what they say is happening does not make sense to you or you are paranoid that everything out there is propaganda, then check your conspiracy theorist mindset and try using logic and common sense instead mixed with your own further research outside this thread. Good luck with that.
And your behaviour in name calling and ill will would be more suited to that other site.
I just asked for evidence, you may wish to read all my comments again
I havnt seen any evidence NK troops are in the frontline
For that matter, havnt seen anything they are active
Just asking, still asking
your words, propaganda from msn is not enough
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(12-16-2024, 10:13 AM)Creaky Wrote: I just asked for evidence, you may wish to read all my comments again
I havnt seen any evidence NK troops are in the frontline
For that matter, havnt seen anything they are active
Just asking, still asking
your words, propaganda from msn is not enough
The problem with asking for evidence is that even if it was provided to you, which it has on this thread, you still will dismiss it as propaganda. So here we are.
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(12-16-2024, 09:58 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Hey sahgwa, so your first video's source is shown as SPRAVDI, and from what I see on the web, many others have deemed that source as legit.
Your second video's source is https://t.me/RVvoenkor and IMO it is legit for many logical and common sense reasons, and one of many independent journalists and groups that put their life on the line to report the truths of war.
It's not difficult to check sources and determine whether or not they are legit or not.
I agree that they are legitimate sources.
I get some of them from a Ukrainian telegram channel whose channel owner is a unit commander with the Ukrainian forces.
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12-16-2024, 11:14 AM
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(12-16-2024, 10:58 AM)sahgwa Wrote: I agree that they are legitimate sources.
I get some of them from a Ukrainian telegram channel whose channel owner is a unit commander with the Ukrainian forces.
Absolutely, as I said before 'from the horse's mouth' and your second source far exceeds 1 million subscribers. One would think if it was propaganda it would have been debunked by now.
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(12-16-2024, 11:14 AM)quintessentone Wrote: Absolutely, as I said before 'from the horse's mouth' and your second source far exceeds 1 million subscribers. One would think if it was propaganda it would have been debunked by now.
To be fair, propaganda often gets millions of views , too.
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(12-16-2024, 11:34 AM)sahgwa Wrote: To be fair, propaganda often gets millions of views , too.
The fact remains, that dubious sources usually get debunked quickly.
Correction: It was my video of Chris that is almost 2 million subscribers, your last source if you go beyond The Sun, is 177,000 subscribers. The same notion applies, that nobody has debunked these people as putting out propaganda. Why dismiss mainstream media companies which use these sources which deem them as credible.
I think it's high time people here stop whining and start providing evidence themselves to refute and discuss.
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12-16-2024, 02:03 PM
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quintessentone sahgwa
I wouldn't bank too heavily on the number of subscribers (or even "hits") in assessing the potential veracity of what you find out there.
I agree it is telling of something... but that "something" can easily be faked by tomfoolery which is only a matter of "cost."
Internet water armies are a real thing... and anyone with the means can make anything at all "look" popular (and accepted.)
If the government can do it, anyone can.
... just sayin'
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12-16-2024, 02:43 PM
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(12-16-2024, 02:03 PM)Maxmars Wrote: quintessentone sahgwa
I wouldn't bank too heavily on the number of subscribers (or even "hits") in assessing the potential veracity of what you find out there.
I agree it is telling of something... but that "something" can easily be faked by tomfoolery which is only a matter of "cost."
Internet water armies are a real thing... and anyone with the means can make anything at all "look" popular (and accepted.)
If the government can do it, anyone can.
... just sayin'
I agree but just to poo poo any source and claim it is MSM and so it should be dismissed is not doing one's due diligence in finding out whether or not the source is credible or not.
I never said I just look at the subscriber numbers...what I look for is actual people on the front lines and/or independent journalists willing to go to the front line to report the realities of war. Although, I have skimmed through many so-called independent military and journalist postings and believe me it does not take long for readers to debunk and discredit them.
The sources on this thread are just that, from the horse's mouth and if MSM has vetted these people and deemed them credible enough to use their reports, then that is another reason why it should not be dismissed.
As for your government doing it, well you have whistle blowers that are brave enough to step forward then are forced ti leave the country because of retribution - the truth comes out, but I digress.
Point in fact, I'll believe any front line Ukrainian soldier's account of what's happening on the front lines because they are there and they know who and what they are battling.
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Maxmars
I'm still waiting for proof that North Korea exists.
No edit to add: Hmm the at sign thing is odd it makes you glow red like a commonist and that is hilarious
"I cannot give you what you deny yourself. Look for solutions from within." - Kai Opaka
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(12-16-2024, 02:55 PM)UltraBudgie Wrote: Maxmars
I'm still waiting for proof that North Korea exists.
No edit to add: Hmm the at sign thing is odd it makes you glow red like a commonist and that is hilarious
You know... come to think of it... I remember someone pointing to a point on the horizon, saying "Yup, that's North Korea!"... but I suppose I was just taking his word for it!
Non-edit note: That particular color is just a color... you are, of course free to make any association that comes to mind... tovarich! (or, péngyǒu.)
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