Psychiatry Pseudoscience?

[SurferSoul]

Are you talking about the U.K.?

Anywhere that people were employed in manufacturing, factories and production, that has now been done abroad. I am relating to my own experience in the north of England where this was primary employment for the working class. I grew up in an engineering and industrial town, these days 95% of that has gone. Most working people are in the service sector but it’s difficult to provide services to people with no money to spare. The proud working class has been obliterated. I fully understand that mental health is negatively impacted when people have lost all sense of self worth.

[Maxmars]

If an  American may submit...

Perhaps it is time all societies looked upon the nature of the 'foundation' of the issue made manifest...

In economic jargon "cost" is a ruse. 

Replace "cost" with "what the profiteers demand as payment."and the narrative changes...

... "Oh... we are so fortunate... we have a discovered a way to lessen human misery....
We deserve to be rewarded." - right?

And thus we embrace the idea that human misery is a tradable revenue asset.

Meanwhile, sick little Susie languishes, while the commerce happens...
someone dies... because 'treatment' "cost" means their family doesn't eat...

But it's all good... everyone gets what they deserve... at least, so they say.

[quintessentone]

Anywhere that people were employed in manufacturing, factories and production, that has now been done abroad. I am relating to my own experience in the north of England where this was primary employment for the working class. I grew up in an engineering and industrial town, these days 95% of that has gone. Most working people are in the service sector but it’s difficult to provide services to people with no money to spare. The proud working class has been obliterated. I fully understand that mental health is negatively impacted when people have lost all sense of self worth.

Why is marijuana illegal in your country? That one industry can create many jobs with a cannabis dispensary shop on every corner.

"The Cannabis Industry Now Supports More Than 440,000 Full-Time Jobs" (USA)

[FlyersFan]

Isn’t there something in it about the right to life and liberty? 

Sure.   Life, liberty and the pursuit of  happiness.
Nothing there about the right to free health care.
(Nothing there about the right to abortions either.)

If health care became a 'right', then the government would have to provide it.
And like I said before, there are big problems with that as a 'right'.
The government would have to force people to become nurses and doctors 
and workers in factories that make medical equipment and drugs.
And the government would have to pay them all and take over production and distribution.
That is the only way to make sure that the 'right' to health care is fulfilled.
That's slavery to the state .... communism.

You have a right to live.
You have a right to liberty.
You have a right to try to be happy.
You don't have a 'right' to healthcare.
It's a commodity or a service ... to be bought ... it's not a 'right'.

[FlyersFan]

It’s a viscous circle when profits are put before people’s health and well being. 

And yet the companies that put the money into developing the drugs deserve to get their payback.
And the people who put the effort in to becoming a doctor or a nurse deserve to get their payback.
And the companies that put the money into manufacturing medical equipment deserve to get their payback.
And the people who work at those companies deserve their paycheck.

And if all this switched over to being done by the government, then it would be COMMUNISM.   
And that's a known failing system.
The free market system has flaws, but it's better than the Communism system.

[UltraBudgie]

That's slavery to the state .... communism.

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, I would just like to point out that in true Anarcho-Communism there is no State to be enslaved to. And everyone is free, in a worker's paradise! Yes, making that omelette requires socializing a few eggs, but no good thing comes without a cost. Until we eliminate costs! I will make a note to be sure that you can listen to John Lennon's Imagine in the reeducation camps until you understand. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

[Maxmars]

Rights are a matter of human imperatives, not contrived but cemented into reality.

No 'person/place/or thing' "gives us' the right to what we need...
We do.

"Rights" are the crossroads of crossroads of multiple vectors... a point where
primacy must manifest... thank God we're not machines who would reduce intersection to algorithmic modelling of statistical compromise.

Too close to the self, 
inextricably tied to the ultimate ignored right:  Dignity.

[SurferSoul]

And yet the companies that put the money into developing the drugs deserve to get their payback.
And the people who put the effort in to becoming a doctor or a nurse deserve to get their payback.
And the companies that put the money into manufacturing medical equipment deserve to get their payback.
And the people who work at those companies deserve their paycheck.

And if all this switched over to being done by the government, then it would be COMMUNISM.   
And that's a known failing system.
The free market system has flaws, but it's better than the Communism system.

We don’t have communism in the UK, the doctors and nurses get paid and sigh up voluntarily. 
So I’ve no idea what you’re talking about. 

I suppose by your logic the police and other government agencies are communist.

[FlyersFan]

We don’t have communism in the UK, the doctors and nurses get paid and sigh up voluntarily. 
So I’ve no idea what you’re talking about. 

If healthcare was a 'right' promised by the government, then the government would have to make sure that there were enough doctors and nurses, and that would mean they would have to force people into those jobs if there werent' enough.   It would mean that the government could force people to work in factories that made medical equipment to ensure that there were enough.  The same as with medicine.    It it's a 'right' then that means the government has to provide it which means the government takes over all production and distribution of  healthcare.

Does the UK have medical care as a 'right' promised by the government???   
If so, then this situation could happen with you.   
Simply having universal health care doesn't mean it's a 'right'.
That just means everyone gets it if it's available
A  'right' is something different.  And that's what we are talking about.

[andy06shake]

If healthcare was a 'right' promised by the government, then the government would have to make sure that there were enough doctors and nurses, and that would mean they would have to force people into those jobs if there werent' enough.   It would mean that the government could force people to work in factories that made medical equipment to ensure that there were enough.  The same as with medicine.    It it's a 'right' then that means the government has to provide it which means the government takes over all production and distribution of  healthcare.

Does the UK have medical care as a 'right' promised by the government???   
If so, then this situation could happen with you.   
Simply having universal health care doesn't mean it's a 'right'.
That just means everyone gets it if it's available
A  'right' is something different.  And that's what we are talking about.

Everyone contributes to taxes and national insurance, hence the right.

Most forward-thinking First World nations offer universal healthcare systems funded through taxes.