Pentagon pizza party

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Wrong!!!
Trump gave the "against all enemies, foreign and domestic" line.

War Secretary used "No more ... rules of engagement, just ... maximum lethality and authority for warfighters...and then we have their back" to indicate that war crimes will not be an issue.

Here's the transcripts:
Donald Trump
Secretary of War Pete Hegseth

So Trump wants to be Lincoln, when he ordered the naval bombardment of New York City when the draft riots were happening. (as I recall from the 2002 movie Gangs of New York). But Lincoln didn't have the June 18, 1878 Posse Comitatus Act to sidestep.

Now the Secretary of War:

It's very much like the famous Trump quote, something like "Just knock the crap out of them. I'll cover your legal fees." Only Hegseth is talking much more lethal action with no legal consequences.

"This Democrat city is your battle field. Kill who you think needs killing. Destroy what you think needs destroying. Don't worry, we at the Pentagon have your back."
[ DISCLAIMER: The foregoing quote is fiction. Any resemblance to actual persons or events referred to are coincidental ]

Sounds like nothing to worry about unless you plan on causing problems, the majority of people go to work and come home. They didnt go around busting in family households in D.C. what makes you think this would be different? People are about to get a life lesson in discipline and respect. Doesn't have to be a death lesson. Chicago needs it, last time I was there people were shooting across the interstate through traffic. New York, you know it needs it too. San Francisco though idk anything about, many other places need it too. Memphis, Tennessee is pretty gangster man Houston, TX Dallas area too. I wish they'd come to Houston ASAP that would be great but we still have law enforcement here that are ready to get down still where as these other places their local governments have GIVEN UP on their people and thats the issue. Theres no support. Its sad that it even has to come to this but its necessary for sure

[Bootless]

If that crap is what you call an accurate transcript, I can see why the public has non-intersecting ideas of truth. Here is what he said:


Play the audio clip from your source if you don't believe me.

Now, the question is, is this libellous misquoting deliberate, or is it a "convenient mistake"?

That's straight from the source I quoted. I just went with the first transcript that popped up when I searched "transcript Trump Quantico". I didn't compare it to other transcripts. Sorry.

But you know. Youtube transcripts are also off many times.

I will correct the "convenient mistake".

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[quintessentone]

oh I got it, but I ignored it because said 'point' was invalidated by being founded/based on false information. sort of like the whole 'incitement to violence' /'these cities are not violent' nonsense . utter illogicality.   Thats why there is no point of engaging half the time since it is literal nonsense.

Take it up with the Mayor of Jackson.

"Although the exact timeline remains unclear, National Guard troops are expected to arrive in Memphis soon under a memorandum Trump signed on Sept. 15. At the same time, Republican Gov. Tate Reeves has recently defended why he sent Mississippi Guard troops to Washington, D.C., but not to Jackson."

"That contradiction is now at the center of the debate: Why reinforce crime-fighting efforts in the nation’s capital but not Mississippi’s own? For critics, it’s evidence that politics, not public safety, drives the decision. For Reeves, it’s a chance to argue his state-level policies give Jackson tools the federal government doesn’t."

Why hasn't National Guard been called to Mississippi when MS troops have gone to DC?

[UltraBudgie]

That's straight from the source I quoted.

Yes and to be clear I'm not saying it's anything you did, or even that I disagree with the point of your post. It's just that seeing how narratives get built and amplified from one little "mistake" by unaccountable-sources makes me a bit riled up. And it's not fair to you that pointing out that misquote—which had to be done—derails and detracts from the points you were making.

See how it goes? I have made a collage:



Edit: And what is somewhat scary is I'm not sure I would have even noticed, except that I hand transcribed that part of the speech yesterday because I thought it was somewhat outrageous.

[ReturnofBroccoli]

Also, I see people talking about urban settings and training grounds and I dont expect non military to know this but we trained on urban settings for Iraq in 2000s this isnt new we dont need to train on our own cities we been kicking ass across the globe awhile now. Maybe you all need to stop thinking of soldiers as some punk kid with his grandpa's gun and realize the discipline and training it takes to be the finely tuned instrument of the modern U.S. military *wont speak for the national guard though idk about them lol no offense guard*

[sahgwa]

Also, I see people talking about urban settings and training grounds and I dont expect non military to know this but we trained on urban settings for Iraq in 2000s this isnt new we dont need to train on our own cities we been kicking ass across the globe awhile now. Maybe you all need to stop thinking of soldiers as some punk kid with his grandpa's gun and realize the discipline and training it takes to be the finely tuned instrument of the modern U.S. military *wont speak for the national guard though idk about them lol no offense guard*

Yes it's not necessary to deploy to civilian territory for urban training.  We had some nice house stuff even in BCT, streets, cars, etc etc
Fact is a lot of residents are complaining about crime, and the POLICE are complaining they cannot do their job, and their mayors are ignoring them.
I posted this in the Portland thread; so then the Feds have to step in.

[Bootless]

Sounds like nothing to worry about unless you plan on causing problems, the majority of people go to work and come home. They didnt go around busting in family households in D.C. what makes you think this would be different? People are about to get a life lesson in discipline and respect. Doesn't have to be a death lesson. Chicago needs it, last time I was there people were shooting across the interstate through traffic. New York, you know it needs it too. San Francisco though idk anything about, many other places need it too. Memphis, Tennessee is pretty gangster man Houston, TX Dallas area too. I wish they'd come to Houston ASAP that would be great but we still have law enforcement here that are ready to get down still where as these other places their local governments have GIVEN UP on their people and thats the issue. Theres no support. Its sad that it even has to come to this but its necessary for sure

[ redacted because shame on me for appealing to relations while being a bad relative ]



With the SCOTUS ruling* on "racial profiling is a-okay", many brown skinned people have been knocked down, beat up, windows smashed, sprayed, and disappeared. That includes U.S. citizens who didn't happen to have enough papers on them to prove citizenship. Who the heck carries a passport with them to mow a lawn? I don't.

*Noem v Vasquez Perdomo was a stay of lower court rather than a ruling.
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For comparison of possible Posse Comitatus violations. Do you remember Jade Helm 15? The right wing conspiracy theorists (like Alex Jones) were literally freaking out over a perfectly legit military training exercise.

What was different? Oh, a dark skinned Democratic President.

"Panic!!! Panic!!! Troops in the streets! FEMA death camps!!"

But now, a president literally stating that Democratic run cities should be live training for military. And the nice conflict of interest GEO private detention facilities. And the enemy are Democrats which he mis-labels "Radical Left".

[sahgwa]

I notice the only ones obsessing about race are the so-called Liberals. It's really strange. 
Like I mentioned about MLK on another thread, viewing people as humans, souls, not colours: most of America does not have a race problem, it's Progressive policies that are hyper focussed on things and on creating division and racial tension out of some bizarre af misplaced level of 'caring' . It's more like controlling to me  . 
very weird, like it's projecting.
Now you cue someone posting some fairytale about white supremacists being rampant in 3 2 1

[Maxmars]

I often wonder if the sentiment isn't actually "injected" into the dialogues...

Sometimes the almost predictable reactive responses seem similarly 'constructed' at times.

As if the wonder words of their uttering were built by another 

My problem is that - activism uses theater to do the injecting...

making promises  they can never keep...
"which are no better than lies." - Augra

[UltraBudgie]

For comparison of possible Posse Comitatus violations. Do you remember Jade Helm 15? The right wing conspiracy theorists (like Alex Jones) were literally freaking out over a perfectly legit military training exercise.

What was different? Oh, a dark skinned Democratic President.

I am going to defend Alex Jones (oh-hohoho!) and point out that he was freaking out about that stuff indiscriminately, with George Bush and Bill Clinton, too. For example, he made this movie, as well as this one.