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Operation Woke Trojan Horse
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(06-16-2026, 04:58 PM)BeyondKnowledge Wrote: I was under the impression the entire op except for the made by AI part was made by AI. Perhaps there needs to be more of an effort to differentiate AI made and human made material.

It misses stuff even with a bulletpoint prompt telling what web to weave.  I had to add or edit "The Stolen Election," "Project 2025," "Seven Mountain Mandate," "The Paradox," and "Q-Anon," and the The Usual Suspects* reference.

This is my Q-Anon counter if you will.

It just inverts the black hand to a bait and switch that took advantage of viral mentality and discomfort with progressive populism to pull a Keyser Soze - and get everybody to want to install as much of a christian theocracy as the constitution will allow.

Didn't expect it to be readily accepted.

Trump getting ousted by BLM sentiment was crucial to setting this up. And had he not had his reign split in half, he wouldnt have risen to godlike status in the interim.

Once the grassroots that burned greater Liberalopolis reached the oval office and Biden (+ reinvigorated democrats) instilled the progressive change they were elected for, ANYTHING could be pointed to as evidence of authoritarian wokeism. Despite the mass populism, like BLM, that elected them to be woke in the first place. Better to blame that same rich liberal lobbyist again. 

Make you wonder if they let (or even helped) him lose just to enable him to return and replace an empty senate seat with the winner of The Kentucky Derby.

"This is great! With him losing we get 4 years to really lay the foundation, fully pull the wool over peoples eyes, and get them to demand Trump and GOD fix country, while manlintaining a perpetual victim card the whole time." 

And in a world where conspiracy can say celebrities feed on the pineal glands of abducted children, or George Soros organizes all liberal protests at the behest of the WEF, well.... 

I'm still the occam's razor with the conspiracy being the conspiracy itself.... even despite the chicken paradox.
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(06-16-2026, 12:32 AM)Astyanax Wrote: I suppose you would have to define wokeness first.

Cutting through to its central premise, wokeness is support for affirmative action and for reparations to be made to the victims of exploitation and prejudice (or their descendants), sometimes with penalties to be levied against identified exploiters to pay for these things. That’s really all there is to wokeness.

Un-wokeism, therefore, may be defined simply as support for the (perceived) historical status quo. It is the classic conservative adage – if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it – in action. Though I am no doubt politically liberal compared with the average American, I am quite sympathetic to this injunction and often shudder at the Pandoran horrors soi-disant progressives have unleashed in their haste to change the world for the better. If wokeness is revolutionary restitutionalism followed by a witch-hunt, then I’m unwoke too. 

But anti-wokeism, not un-wokeism, is what this thread is about.
 
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Here, there is certainly a conspiracy: a very successful one whose object is to prejudice American citizens against their own interests, the better to exploit them. It flourishes because Americans’ fear of government has limited the reach of their state(s) and put far too much power in the hands of the people. When you do that, you empower the strong against the weak and situations like this arise. 

States exist because, in their absence, society becomes a Hobbesian battle of all against all, in which the strong exploit and trample upon the weak while they in turn are exploited and trampled by someone stronger. States arise to prevent this by preserving a monopoly on violence, using it to keep the public from one another’s throats (and also to protect them against foreign enemies).

In America, where the state is weak and hobbled, private violence is rife and the rich are, to a great degree, free to exploit and suppress ordinary citizens. But this freedom is threatened whenever the public becomes too conscious of its own interests – when, in other words, it ‘wakes up’. In response, the old anti-woke conspiracy rises again. This is why the greatest threat to liberty in the United States is not the government – has never been the government – but over-mighty private citizens who will stop at nothing to preserve and increase their power.
 
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This is a very old conspiracy. Its roots lie in the American Civil War, when it became necessary to persuade poor whites in the southern states to kill and die in defence of slavery, which was the main reason they were poor in the first place. Its original manifestation was overt – calling itself the Confederate States of America – but since the Confederacy was defeated it has been a mostly underground conspiracy, a conspiracy of sympathy and neighbourly fellow feeling, quietly funded by wealthy capitalists, with only a few brainwashed fanatics publicly promoting the cause. Only rarely, when the people seem likely to act to rein in the power of the elite, does the conspiracy become overt and organized – as in the rise of Molochs like Project 2025, and demagogues like the late Charlie Kirk who try to inflame the public against its own interests.

So yes, there is an anti-woke conspiracy of sorts, but it’s a loosely integrated one in which temporary alignments of interest create an innately unstable and fissiparous relationship between the very rich and their natural enemies, the poor. The alignmemt rarely lasts, and happily the current phase is already ending.


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(06-16-2026, 01:35 AM)IdeomotorPrisoner Wrote: Its easy to sell reclaimism...

Perhaps you mean revanchism?
 
Quote:A thin skin + a joyless approach to how the awakened were gonna fix all past...

Certainly the attitude of the woke towards those they perceived as their opponents did not help. Enthusiastic social reformers always go too far, arousing resentment among those who feel threatened or demonized by their actions. Elsewhere, I have described the woke as the new Puritans; this indicates that the attitudes you describe are hardly original, nor are they confined to any single political tendency. Personally, I dislike fanatics of all persuasions.

However, ‘progressive’ enthusiasm and hostility towards ‘conservative’ opposition* scarcely justify the reaction they provoked in America, which has been quite disproportionate and often violent. Popular reactions to past movements of the same kind – to the Puritans, for example – were rarely so unmitigatedly hateful, nor so violent.

We agree, I think, that the reaction, the revanche, was inflamed by other factors. And certainly, one of them was the conspiracy you mention. But the conspirators would never have succeeded so brilliantly without several other factors also contributing their weight.

One was, indeed, Covid, and the mishandling of it by the US Executive, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths – a toll greater than that of the First World War. But by the time Covid arrived, the conspiracy had already succeeded: Trump was in office, put there largely by public resentment against the woke and the educated, progressive elite.

The financial collapse of 2008 was nearly as big a contributing factor as Covid, and its effects have lasted longer. And of course there were other factors, too. But the real force-multipliers were the rise of social media and the leveraging of it by foreign actors to influence the beliefs and behaviour of American voters.

I dispute none of this. However, none of it has happened in anything like the same degree anywhere else in the world. All of us suffered from the 2008 collapse, the Covid pandemic and most of the other factors plaguing America, but we have coped with them far better. In my own rather poor but highly social-welfare oriented country the per-capita death-toll from Covid was a fifth that of America’s – which was one of the highest in the world. That shameful statistic shows how far the right-wing capture of the US State had already advanced by 2021.
 
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And that is the point I am making. American exceptionalism, in this one case, is justified. There really is an effective difference between the US and other countries. The argument in my previous post is that the difference is constitutional. Other countries, whether democratic or not, have strong governments that can control the exploitative tendencies of private capital. America does not; it deliberately restrains the power of government while permitting its citizens to arm themselves to the teeth and abdicating a large portion of its responsibility for ensuring their fair treatment under the law. That is why the USA is the land of unfettered capitalism running riot, the land of media-driven consumerism that corrupts and degrades state and citizenry alike, the land of absurdly unequal contrasts between rich and poor, the land of enshittifaction, the land of everyday mass murder, the country that must make exploit and make war on the rest of the world to satisfy the gaping maw of its insatiable economic engine.
 
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The 'woke Trojan horse’ is merely a strategem, and getting too hung up on it is dangerous. The actual problem is constitutional. As de Toqueville pointed out not long before the Civil War, the only real protection American citizens have against each other is their institutions, which mandate a weak government and an over-mighty executive that arrogates more power to itself as history unfolds – in part because it is only in the Presidency that Americans can find even a promise of the protection they need against each other. And that’s really all I have to say here.
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* Both terms are extremely misleading, hence the quotes.



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