On Losing Weight and Diet Pills.

[argentus]

My Darlin' and me tried Keto, and it worked!     Then, months went by, and the weight returned.   We saw and monitored it coming back, so I don't want to imply that life impose the weight upon us.  We both consider all that happens to us, or has ever happened to us, to be our responsibility.  

That was four years ago.   While we were both under a fair degree of stress, we elected to try a self-created program of Stress minimalization, Living our best lives, Easy and healthy eating, Physical activity wherever possible, Cutting down on sugars and processed foods, Obsessing about sleep quality, Loving, always.   Our mantra, SLEPCOL.     We are both in our mid-60's.   The acronym above was just a thing we played with.    

Sleep matters a hell of a lot.   If your sleep quality is bad, that will reflect in your general health.   What does this have to do with weight loss?   It's the whole system that is involved.   I'm not trying to say this is THE WAY.   This is what has worked for us.   

We both started meditating.   We do it together, side by side, looking at the sea.   Initially, it seemed like a waste of time, and we now both see it as time well spent.   After that we stretch a bit.   I do some Tai Chi motions after that; my Darlin' doesn't care about that.   Yet.  

We feel very blessed to live in the Caribbean.   Life isn't easy here, but then nobody is shooting at us.  Anything can kill you, and without warning.   I think it is important for people to consider that.    Young people especially, think that nothing can hurt them, and they have plenty of time.   I was like that once.  You don't have all the time you think.   It can end in an instant, unplanned.    Live your best life right now, as though you only have a year left.   Feel it and love your life.  

I used to walk six miles twice a week.   Then I got injured, and couldn't do it.   My shame was not pushing for that six miles again.   If you stop doing something, you give up the ability to do it.   Read that again, because it is important.   So now, we are in the place where we seek every opportunity to use our bodies.  We always park far away from where we are going.   We walk.  We swim.  Good Lord, the waters are there for us to use and to fish and swim in.   Please use them.  

We have started eating completely healthy.   Not to say we never have commercial pizza.  Nope.  Love it.   We chose avocado oil over canola oil.   I make coconut oil, and we eat it every day as a tonic.  We mostly wait until we are old to begin taking care of ourselves, because we feel that what we feel will go on forever.   It won't.   Start doing the right thing for yourselves right now.  

I was once 290 lbs.  Now sitting comfortably at 252, and continually declining.   Same goes for my Darlin'.  My weight in college football was 235.   That seems like a lofty, but attainable goal.   

The bottom line?   Weight loss is in the head, and the heart.   You have to decide what you want, and feel it, and choose your life.   Eat less carbs.   Eat less processed foods and sugars.   Move more.  Live your best life.   Feel good and wake up with joy.   

If you want to wake up with joy, you should probably avoid the "news".   It's not really news anymore, it's an editorial.   They will show you something and then tell you what you just saw, as though you are just that stupid that you don't know.   

I blow my nose with one finger at the "news".

[Kenzo]

Heading for an online source for those now.
Thanks!

Yep, i forget to mention it`s good to keep pauses with Sulbutiamine like maybe 2-3 days after 4-6 days use . Litle pauses are ok ,specially if happen to have benfotiamine which can be used everyday.


Japanise had trouble to cure Beriberi ( B1 deiciency ) with the normal vitamin B1 , so they created the fat soluble Sulbutiamine which works much better.

In Japan, it was found that insufficient thiamine led to a central nervous system disorder called Beriberi. But supplementing with thiamine alone didn’t help because of its poor bioavailability. A lot of thiamine was needed to cure Beriberi symptoms.

So Japanese scientists created a derivative of Vitamin B1 called Sulbutiamine in an attempt to quell the health crisis within the Japanese population.

Sulbutiamine is far more bioavailable than standard thiamine. It is fat-soluble (thiamine is water-soluble) which helps it more easily cross the blood-brain barrier.

Japanese researchers were the first to determine that something was missing in the diet of those who ate only polished rice.
Polished rice is one of the first “processed foods”. And of course there were problems right from the start. The bran coating on rice kernels contained what was later identified as thiamine (Vitamin B1).
The Japanese population were severely thiamine-deficient from this rice-only diet. Large numbers of the population were suffering from Beriberi. A central nervous system disorder caused by a lack of thiamine.
Once scientists determined it was thiamine that was behind a major, country-wide health crisis, they went on to develop Sulbutiamine. It was better absorbed by the brain than standard thiamine.
Your body does not produce thiamine on its own. So you must get it from food including beef, brewer’s yeast, legumes (beans, lentils), milk, nuts, oats, oranges, pork, rice, seeds, wheat, whole-grain cereals, and yeast.
But thiamine has poor bioavailability when taken as a nootropic supplement. A derivative of thiamine called Sulbutiamine is a fat-soluble compound that is easily digested. And readily crosses the blood-brain barrier.

Vitamin B1 (Thiamine)

As a extra bonus, thiamine treats lead poisoning,  i dont know how much thought.

[Ray]

My Darlin' and me tried Keto, and it worked!     Then, months went by, and the weight returned.   We saw and monitored it coming back, so I don't want to imply that life impose the weight upon us.  We both consider all that happens to us, or has ever happened to us, to be our responsibility.  

That was four years ago.   While we were both under a fair degree of stress, we elected to try a self-created program of Stress minimalization, Living our best lives, Easy and healthy eating, Physical activity wherever possible, Cutting down on sugars and processed foods, Obsessing about sleep quality, Loving, always.   Our mantra, SLEPCOL.     We are both in our mid-60's.   The acronym above was just a thing we played with.    

Sleep matters a hell of a lot.   If your sleep quality is bad, that will reflect in your general health.   What does this have to do with weight loss?   It's the whole system that is involved.   I'm not trying to say this is THE WAY.   This is what has worked for us.   

We both started meditating.   We do it together, side by side, looking at the sea.   Initially, it seemed like a waste of time, and we now both see it as time well spent.   After that we stretch a bit.   I do some Tai Chi motions after that; my Darlin' doesn't care about that.   Yet.  

We feel very blessed to live in the Caribbean.   Life isn't easy here, but then nobody is shooting at us.  Anything can kill you, and without warning.   I think it is important for people to consider that.    Young people especially, think that nothing can hurt them, and they have plenty of time.   I was like that once.  You don't have all the time you think.   It can end in an instant, unplanned.    Live your best life right now, as though you only have a year left.   Feel it and love your life.  

I used to walk six miles twice a week.   Then I got injured, and couldn't do it.   My shame was not pushing for that six miles again.   If you stop doing something, you give up the ability to do it.   Read that again, because it is important.   So now, we are in the place where we seek every opportunity to use our bodies.  We always park far away from where we are going.   We walk.  We swim.  Good Lord, the waters are there for us to use and to fish and swim in.   Please use them.  

We have started eating completely healthy.   Not to say we never have commercial pizza.  Nope.  Love it.   We chose avocado oil over canola oil.   I make coconut oil, and we eat it every day as a tonic.  We mostly wait until we are old to begin taking care of ourselves, because we feel that what we feel will go on forever.   It won't.   Start doing the right thing for yourselves right now.  

I was once 290 lbs.  Now sitting comfortably at 252, and continually declining.   Same goes for my Darlin'.  My weight in college football was 235.   That seems like a lofty, but attainable goal.   

The bottom line?   Weight loss is in the head, and the heart.   You have to decide what you want, and feel it, and choose your life.   Eat less carbs.   Eat less processed foods and sugars.   Move more.  Live your best life.   Feel good and wake up with joy.   

If you want to wake up with joy, you should probably avoid the "news".   It's not really news anymore, it's an editorial.   They will show you something and then tell you what you just saw, as though you are just that stupid that you don't know.   

I blow my nose with one finger at the "news".

Stress was my issue when it came to weight loss too.

Keto worked really well in the past for me but the thing that really shed weight was stress management. I can't claim to know the chemistry well but there's a link between cortisol and cholesterol and if those are elevated losing weight is going to be more difficult. I lost 2-3 stone when I was focusing on stress.

Before all that I had high cholesterol, diet wasn't working and it got to the point Dr's threw chemicals at it which managed things slightly but I was still stressed and wasn't losing weight, what really worked was the likes of meditation and working on feeling comfortable.

I'm naturally stressed when I haven't had much sleep so that ties into things too, a good sleep has a lot of other benefits too, what I'd add to that is don't eat too late either. 

I've always preferred eating larger meals, sometimes only eating once a day. I found actually having a diet and eating more often helped too. We're all different though but I would definitely ask people to consider stress when they're wanting to lose weight. It's the one thing I never accounted for with myself in the past.

[putnam6]

It's also portion size, eating after 7 pm etc. Both things  Id always do. 15-20 wings with fries and a couple of beers watching late-night sports. Your body can handle that easier at 29 than 59. Now I grill or bake 4-5 chicken tenderloins with Carolina Reaper buffalo sauce, which takes care of my wing fixation LOL and sinus congestion too. That's my cheat LOL and no beer, no fries I forgot that aspect I rarely drink at all anymore. 

Holidays I used to put on weight I've been able to hold steady the past 2 years 

I do miss a good beer or shot occasionally though...

[vroomfondel]

I started a program October, 2022. I have lost more than I ever dreamed I would and its still coming off. Cut out the carbs, plain and simple. Don't blame fat for what sugar does to your body. Enjoy that steak, cheese, even fried foods. Just no carbs. I stopped eating heavily processed foods also. That made a huge difference in my overall wellbeing. Portion control is never a bad idea but its not the most important thing.

Oh, and I did this all without exercise. My back problems and two knees well past the time they both should have been replaced have left me with a fairly sedentary lifestyle. I think most people find that their body wants to be healthy, it just won't force you to enable it. I have dropped about 1/3 of my body weight since I started. At 62 I haven't felt this good in a long long time.

Its never too late to do something good for yourself.

[DontTreadOnMe]

Its never too late to do something good for yourself.

Amen to that!!!!

[quintessentone]

Biden's new weight loss meds coverage program; some links and thoughts on that is welcome.

https://missouriindependent.com/2024/11/...-medicaid/

CBO projected it would cost the federal government $35 billion between 2026 and 2034 to cover anti-obesity medications for Medicare patients.
 
“Relative to the direct costs of the medications, total savings from beneficiaries’ improved health would be small—less than $50 million in 2026 and rising to $1.0 billion in 2034,” CBO wrote in the analysis.
 
The report explained that Medicare currently covers “some obesity-related services, including screening, behavioral counseling, and bariatric surgery (a procedure performed on the stomach or intestines to induce weight loss).”
 
While Medicare does cover anti-obesity medications for recipients with diabetes or cardiovascular disease, CBO wrote, Medicare “is prohibited by law from covering medications for weight management as part of the standard prescription drug benefit.”
 
The CBO report didn’t include a cost estimate for Medicaid, but noted that weight management drug coverage within that program is optional.
 
“According to one study, of the 47 states with publicly available lists of preferred drugs, nine had Medicaid programs that covered Wegovy in the first quarter of 2023.”

Wegovy used for the long term:  https://www.forhers.com/blog/long-term-e...-of-wegovy

Before we get into what might happen in rare cases, we’ve just got to say: Wegovy is generally considered a safe drug for most people. More research is needed into the long-term effects, but complications are rare, and for many, the benefits of taking Wegovy outweigh the risks.

My first thought is because of the high cost to the government, Trump and his admin. will not keep it in place. Trump and his admin. are suggesting they will give every man, woman and child three meals a day, but don't explain how they would implement such a program;  take away food stamps first?

Here is what was stated by Trump's admin.:

“If we spent about one-fifth of that giving good food, three meals a day, to every man, woman and child in our country, we could solve the obesity and diabetes epidemic overnight,” Kennedy said."

My second thought is that they are not predicting the money saved from less certain types of cancer, heart disease, stroke and diabetes treatments over the very long term as obesity seems to keep rising. Fact: Since the mid-1970s obesity in children age 2-19 rose triple the rate during 2017-2020, this and severe obesity among women has also increased needs to be taken into account as well when crunching the numbers.
 

“Relative to the direct costs of the medications, total savings from beneficiaries’ improved health would be small—less than $50 million in 2026 and rising to $1.0 billion in 2034,” CBO wrote in the analysis.

From 2026 to 2034 is only an 8-year gap and that is a 5% increase in savings, but what is not included here is the obesity numbers which seem to always be climbing up. https://usafacts.org/articles/obesity-ra...-50-years/

As I noted above there was a 19.7% increase in obesity among children and an increase of severe obesity among women...all those numbers need to added and a projected savings from using anti-obesity drugs along with the already-covered counselling, bariatric surgery and other treatments.
 

State data suggests that just over a third of Americans are currently obese. However, nationwide data shows that this could be an underestimation.
 

Sorry for posting a long-winded post, but these complicated issues need to be looked at from many different directions. It's not all about money, but if the Trump admin. is all about money then they need to also look at projected savings over the near future because obesity and associated diseases arising from same are only increasing and so will the savings. Does that sound logical? What say you DI?

[Maxmars]

Just to add a different perspective here...

We are looking at the government regulating the "diet" industry?

At the tip of that industry, we see the pharmaceutical combine foisting another 'life-long' drug treatment to 'change human behavior and metabolism.'
We also see the addition of the vanity industry and it's media mogul direction - we see the ancillary and almost superfluous "health care industry" with all it's middlemen - in addition to that we see the "food" industry (big list.)

This regulation and regulatory involvement will serve and protect the industry... not the people. Ensuring the perpetual placement of dietary management commerce within the governments domain.

But why is this intervention necessary? What change diet-wise since the 1950's for example where almost no one considered being over 'optimal' weight, a crisis? 
How can we address the symptom via regulatory control of prescribed medicines... with no real attention given to it's cause.

As far as I am thinking "obesity" is a condition... not a disease. 
It happens sometimes because of disease... but that is not it's most frequent cause nowadays...
I suspect it's what we eat.


I think this is the outgoing administration's obligatory "nod" to Big Pharma... something for me to think on.

[quintessentone]

Just to add a different perspective here...

We are looking at the government regulating the "diet" industry?

At the tip of that industry, we see the pharmaceutical combine foisting another 'life-long' drug treatment to 'change human behavior and metabolism.'
We also see the addition of the vanity industry and it's media mogul direction - we see the ancillary and almost superfluous "health care industry" with all it's middlemen - in addition to that we see the "food" industry (big list.)

This regulation and regulatory involvement will serve and protect the industry... not the people. Ensuring the perpetual placement of dietary management commerce within the governments domain.

But why is this intervention necessary? What change diet-wise since the 1950's for example where almost no one considered being over 'optimal' weight, a crisis? 
How can we address the symptom via regulatory control of prescribed medicines... with no real attention given to it's cause.

As far as I am thinking "obesity" is a condition... not a disease. 
It happens sometimes because of disease... but that is not it's most frequent cause nowadays...
I suspect it's what we eat.


I think this is the outgoing administration's obligatory "nod" to Big Pharma... something for me to think on.

I look at it the opposite way because if more people successfully lose weight on an anti-obesity drug, along with existing counselling and other treatments already covered, then the number of existing people and the high numbers still to come will be treated and therefore the use of anti-obesity drugs and other drug useage will fall, so BigPharma will end up losing profits and people will gain health.

[ArMaP]

As far as I am thinking "obesity" is a condition... not a disease. 
It happens sometimes because of disease... but that is not it's most frequent cause nowadays...
I suspect it's what we eat.

Don't forget exercise. In general, people today have a more static way of living.