08-08-2024, 05:02 PM
(08-07-2024, 12:04 AM)midicon Wrote: I was loathe to enter enter any conversation about consciousness. I did at one time now and then do so on ATS. I gave that up though as it never went anywhere. Some clever posters though did have alternate theories.
I commented here really just to involve myself and give this site some traffic. Your correlation and conflation between the UFO phenomena and consciousness is nothing new. Jung was sayig something similar almost a century ago.
I'm not sure why you brought up reincarnation in particular. You seem very much anti-science.
I am very much pro-science. Indeed, I believe everything can be explained by science--eventually. IOW things like the paranormal aren't really paranormal. They are part of reality. They are just not sufficiently understood by science. Yet the paranormal has been scientfically verified hundreds of times. It's just that the scientific establishment is myopic in terms of its acceptance. That is typical, of course. Advances in science are hard fought. Witness plate tectonics, for example. And there was that book of 100 scientists telling Einstein that he was wrong. Einstein's response; "If I were wrong, one would have been enough."
Reincarnation is part of the package accepted by many cultures other than "Western." Even then, western Christians will talk about Jesus coming again. Sounds like reincarnation to me. So it is wodely accepted even here, but with very special caveats. And if consciousness is really the soul inhabiting a physical body, reincarnation is but a small step.
The correlation between UFOs and consciousness may not be new, but if you have actually studied the phenomenon over the decades you will know that it has evolved from a "nuts and bolts" interpretation to a realization that there is "something" about the subject that involves the paranormal and consciusness. That idea is relatively new to the mainstream UFO commmunity. The acceptance of this idea is in the "There may be something there" stage as no one seems to understand precisely what the issue is.
My purpose is bringing up the subject of what consciousness actually is was the hope for some positive feedback. There has been some, for which I am grateful, but most has exhibited a lack of understanding, perhaps willful, of what I am trying to say. I haven't come across a decent refutation yet. There are always people like Phil Klass or Mick West who delight in throwing stones at new or different ideas. It doesn't matter in the long run because if I'm right, they'll find out eventually. And they will owe me an apology.
Everything hurts and I'm tired.