08-06-2024, 03:35 PM
(08-06-2024, 01:40 PM)schuyler Wrote: No, it's not. The domiant materialist view is that EVERYTHING is physical. Why? Because "science" and the "scientific method" is and was a reaction against the nonsense of the religious views about reality, which was dominated by God, angels, magic and miracles, heaven and hell. The scientific world view does not admit that such things can exist. In that view, it is impossibe. If you try to suggest that Reality is somewhat different, just look at the result.
Your post is a perfect example.
Your "soul" is the program. The TV set is the "brain." Materilists look in the back of the TV set and can't find the program, so their conclusion is that the program is an emergent property of the TV set.
That's just silly.
(08-06-2024, 02:56 PM)schuyler Wrote:
Of course you don't believe in Gods, angels magic miracles heaven and hell. It would be surprising if you did. For the most part, neither do I. But I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. And that's exactly what science has done. Because of the aversion and FEAR of Gods and angels.... absolutely nothing of the sort is allowed. Science claims it is open-minded. I find that laughable.
That consciousness is an emergent property is also an opinion. What evidence do you have of that? Thousands of pages have been written about consciousness, most tortured explanations that make no sense. In all those thousands of pages, articles, and theories the one conclusion reached is: "We don't know what consciousness is." I'm providing a framework to discuss what consciousness is. I am no more required to "prove" my contention than you are required to prove consciousness is an emergent property. If that's what you think, you prove it. As far as I know, that has never been proven. It's just been assumed by science as part of that world view. It is myopic. And that world view is preventing us from understanding the larger issues.
I am going to diverge from this exact subject in my next post and try to tie it together after that...
I don't know what consciousness is. I'm not throwing the baby out either. you seemed set in your opinion and statement. Rather than use the word evidence I should have perhaps said what do you base it on. I'm not a hard headed pragmatist.
