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#21
I met the guy who was doing the show on Oak Island maybe five years ago.  He got in an argument with the guy who was a specialist on the masons, at the conference and he quit the ancient artifact organization I belonged to and never came back again.  He was a little overzealous.  I quit going to the conferences after Covid Hit.  They canceled the conference for a year, and I went the next year, but the wife and I have not been to one in three years now.  Kind of miss it, maybe we will start again before some of the main speakers kick the bucket or quit coming.  I liked Sam from the Bosnia pyramids, had a few drinks with him at the motel bar one night, but he has not been back in quite a few years now, Lee Pennington is getting old too but he still showed up this last fall I guess, Scott Wolter has still been coming I guess, he sat with the wife and I at supper one year, he has some interesting stories..  I am facebook friends with Lee and his Girlfriend.  I guess Scott has a lady friend in England.  Another guy was showing us pictures of his treasure find off of South America, but I guess the government that had the coastal rights there took most everything he found, but he did get quite a bit of a finders fee plus some artifacts.  Another member has the ancient American magazine, and there were some writers that wrote archeology books that were members too

The guy from Oak Island seemed a little hyper about his speech, never talked much to him other than when we were both getting coffee and donuts at the same time.  He was showing way too much confidence in his presentation that year....but he seemed nice when talking to him at the coffee pot when he was not promoting his show so much. 

A couple of members went to Bosnia to work at the pyramids for a month, just for something to do.  They had a great time, they said some of the food in the local restaurants was great, and the hotel rooms were pretty cheap in town.  They got rides from Sam to the pyramid sites and said there were some interesting things there.  No pay, but discounts in town on everything, but I guess the flight there was more expensive than everything else combined....something to do I guess. 

The wife and I were members for about ten years,  Until they moved to Escanaba, we just went to the conferences each day, ten miles away, and it was not very expensive.  No motel rooms or meals needed except for going to Wendys for lunch.  When they went to Escanaba, it still only cost us about eight hundred bucks for two nights motel, the conference meals, and membership for both of us...plus the gas to get there.  But with both of us retired, it is quite a bit of money now.

Some guy who went down to South America to investigate those big block structures that were taken apart said that was interesting.  He said that the keys that held the big stone blocks were pretty much all gone, they looked sort of like pieces of Railroad ties or something that locked them together.  Supposedly they were some kind of gold alloy I guess...no wonder they disappeared.  I guess there were still some in places, but they were not allowed to go to those sites...kind of evident why that is I suppose.  I guess Robert Redford made a movie about those other sites, because he was a big movie star at one time I suppose they let him go to the other sites.

Those three day conferences were pretty fun.  We got to go to at least one more while we still can, I am seventy, the wife is seventy three, maybe we should go next year.  The people who organize it are our age too...The casino we go to even gave the organization a place to show the artifacts that people can go to, I thought about displaying some of my artifacts there, but haven't been back since they got the museum finished.  You got to be careful who you tell about artifacts you find, I met someone who brought some to the local college and they confiscated them and told him he was not allowed to dig on his own land anymore...burial artifacts they called them to take them and add them to their collection.  Now I got verification from the tribes that mine were not burial artifacts, I guess I live on an ancient ceremonial site from what they said...medicine men and some specialists in Indian tool making history.  According to them, it is important not to sell the artifacts, they need to stay on the land.  No problem, it would cost almost as much as I would get for them to have them certified and that would mean a whole site survey by archeologists...not cheap by any means.  In the end the only one who would get rich is the archeologists who certify it.

I guess I could donate some of the little stones that are buried NSEW together to the local tribe to give to the kids in school...but the Indians that were on this site predate the local indian tribes here now...so who would I give those little stones too.  Kind of neat, I guess they would take these personal artifacts and bury them on sites, they are about one and a half to two feet deep into the clay layer now...maybe six hundred to nine  hundred years ago they were buried.  Same with the rocks in rows, they are a foot under ground now, once they were above ground lining the trails from what the natives told me.

When a big pine tree blows over, I go and check out what comes out from the ground yet, but quit digging now...when I turned sixty, shoveling hardpan was not so easy anymore.  I am the protector of my property now, that is my job.  Also, I have to feed the deer every day, they like apples, potatoes, carrots, and homemade bread and homemade sweet rolls, they seem to be eating all of my marjoram this year, are they turning Italian?  That is all right, as long as they don't pull the roots out, they come back every year...they are on the sides and back of our deck.  I wonder if they are eating the mint too?  They are eating all the medicinal plants out of the yard too.  There are about six fawns, for does, and a four pointer, and a button buck this year.  I don't hunt anymore, so they are safe here.  One doe disappeared during this bow season, it's fawn still comes every evening and eats here, and once in a while it comes during the afternoon, but it does not associate with the other deer no other doe adopted it.  The mother could have got hit by a car too, that happens quite a bit around here.
#22
(11-18-2025, 08:29 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Supposedly, they found out all about the 'treasure'.
Authority Confirms Oak Island Mystery Solved: The Truth Behind the Treasure Hunt

Well, a cursory search around the web appears to indicate that
  • Dr. Emily Carter, (archaeologist...paleontologist...whatever) is a fictional character.
  • Author Winston Papyrus cannot be found.
  • The source web page seems to be some AI kinda clickbait.
  • The Nova Scotia Historical Society does not exist.
Plus the fact that access to the island is controlled by the owners, and any testing or surveys to be done would have to be run past them first. All that said, no proof that any goodies are still there...but an indication that people are still looking to cash in on the mystery, one way or another.
#23
(11-18-2025, 08:58 PM)DBCowboy Wrote: I wasted too much time on Oak Island.

Call me when they find something other than a rock that could have been a rock during the times of the Knights Templar,

Nvm
"The only journey is the one within."
#24
(11-19-2025, 02:27 PM)Johnny Canuck Wrote: Well, a cursory search around the web appears to indicate that
  • Dr. Emily Carter, (archaeologist...paleontologist...whatever) is a fictional character.
  • Author Winston Papyrus cannot be found.
  • The source web page seems to be some AI kinda clickbait.
  • The Nova Scotia Historical Society does not exist.
Plus the fact that access to the island is controlled by the owners, and any testing or surveys to be done would have to be run past them first. All that said, no proof that any goodies are still there...but an indication that people are still looking to cash in on the mystery, one way or another.

I have another link with other names to search.

"Geological Debate
The Money Pit’s nature divides experts. Skeptics, like geologist Robert Dunfield, attribute it to natural sinkholes in the island’s limestone and anhydrite, with flooding from seawater. However, coconut fiber, worked wood, and engineered drains at Smith’s Cove suggest human design. Dr. Ian Spooner’s sediment analysis indicates the swamp was artificially modified centuries ago, supporting the theory of deliberate construction."

Oak Island Mystery Finally Solved in 2025! - Archaeology and Ancient Civilizations

Dr. Ian Spooner: The Scientist Unveiling Oak Island's Hidden Secrets

Robert Dunfield — Oak Island Nova Scotia

The Robert Dunfield story could be a Netflix special all by itself.
"The only journey is the one within."
#25
(11-19-2025, 02:48 PM)quintessentone Wrote: "Geological Debate
The Money Pit’s nature divides experts. Skeptics, like geologist Robert Dunfield, attribute it to natural sinkholes in the island’s limestone and anhydrite, with flooding from seawater. However, coconut fiber, worked wood, and engineered drains at Smith’s Cove suggest human design. Dr. Ian Spooner’s sediment analysis indicates the swamp was artificially modified centuries ago, supporting the theory of deliberate construction."
I agree with Spooner in the belief that the swamp was 'artificially modified.'
I think it holds the entrance to what used to be the cache. While the boys are trying to bash their way through the front door, I think the key is to identify the back way in.

But artifacts and culturally modified bits are coming up from the depths where they oughtn't be. And the excavations on Lot 5 indicate a bunch of stuff going on historically. Something has been going on there for a long time.

Dunno if there is still any loot on site, and I don't consider Vikings, Templars or Sinclairs to be viable options. But I'm still watching and booked in for a tour this summer.
#26
(11-19-2025, 03:18 PM)Johnny Canuck Wrote: I agree with Spooner in the belief that the swamp was 'artificially modified.'
I think it holds the entrance to what used to be the cache. While the boys are trying to bash their way through the front door, I think the key is to identify the back way in.

But artifacts and culturally modified bits are coming up from the depths where they oughtn't be. And the excavations on Lot 5 indicate a bunch of stuff going on historically. Something has been going on there for a long time.

Dunno if there is still any loot on site, and I don't consider Vikings, Templars or Sinclairs to be viable options. But I'm still watching and booked in for a tour this summer.

Have a great trip, it sounds like fun.

Here is a Reddit link with a comprehensive list of artifacts - true and tall tales.

Updated: Verified list of items recovered on Oak Island : r/OakIsland
"The only journey is the one within."
#27
(11-19-2025, 03:37 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Have a great trip, it sounds like fun.
Should be a fun trip. I've been to the research centre on the island, and taken Tony Sampson's boat tour. This will be my third trip. I'm no 'true believer,' but I've been connected with people close to the story, present and past. 

And being a licenced archaeologist, I have a certain perspective.

The kicker is that as a kid, I got a  treasure map of the island in a box of Shreddies...so I know it's the real deal!  Wink2
#28
(11-19-2025, 03:57 PM)Johnny Canuck Wrote: Should be a fun trip. I've been to the research centre on the island, and taken Tony Sampson's boat tour. This will be my third trip. I'm no 'true believer,' but I've been connected with people close to the story, present and past. 

And being a licenced archaeologist, I have a certain perspective.

The kicker is that as a kid, I got a  treasure map of the island in a box of Shreddies...so I know it's the real deal!  Wink2

Yea, I was just looking at that boat tour. I always try to take bus and boat tours when visiting new places, one gets to see a lot in a short amount of time. Except when in Florida where the air conditioning in buses never seem to work.

I worked with archaeologists in a non-licensed capacity what seems like another lifetime at this point. They let me clean the artifacts with a toothbrush and water outside in the sunshine where the old glass pieces showed beautiful splashes of the color spectrum.
"The only journey is the one within."
#29
(11-19-2025, 04:01 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Yea, I was just looking at that boat tour. I always try to take bus and boat tours when visiting new places, one gets to see a lot in a short amount of time. 

We always try a boat or bus tour to get the lay of the land when somewhere new. This one, "Salty Dog Sea Tours," was really good as you got a history, an off-shore view of the activities...all that plus a boat ride for a pretty good price. Highly recommended.
#30
(11-18-2025, 08:55 PM)IAMTAT Wrote: I admit it. I've been watching it for over a decade.
Dammit!
There's something wrong with me.

Nope, it's human nature, it's good to be curious even if you are wrong sometimes 

Love the story of it all, read it in the same Reader's Digest issue one of the brothers read as a kid, think it's been picked over for a while now 

Question everything....
His mind was not for rent to any god or government
Always hopeful yet discontent, knows changes aren't permanent
But change is 
Professor Neil Ellwood Peart 
 
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