New older date for the Pyramid

[Harte]

Also... Egypt was a large country. You can visit New York and never go to the Statue of Liberty. 
  Even if the event happened per the story there'd be no reason for any of the pyramids to be mentioned.

Sure, but it's not like the Hebrews were wandering out to the west.
The Pharaohs most commonly associated with the Exodus all had their capitals just outside of Cairo.
I can't imagine the Hebrews not even hearing of the Pyramids when they were in captivity less than 20 miles from the GP.

IMO, the entire story was made up by rabbis in the employ of the libraries in Babylonia. It looks to me that they were impressed with what the Babylonians did with Marduk's syncretization. The Moses story parallels several such stories from ancient Mesopotamia, most notably that of Sargon the Great, the Akkadian that conquered Sumer and created the first real empire.

Harte

[Solvedit]

Something I found a bit strange.

There are many stories from Egypt about the Israelites, Jesus fleeing to Egypt to avoid King Harrod, they even include several Pharaohs and then you have that Moses “went out to his own people and saw their hard labor…”  ....but there's not one single word about pyramids.


They'd been there for over 2000 years by that time, so you'd think they at least get a paragraph or two about worshipping false Gods or idols.

The Israelites were in the East Nile Delta according to a web search.  They built the cities of Pithom and Rameses.  There are no major pyramids in the Nile delta.  The Great Pyramid was more than 60 miles to the south.

[Solvedit]

Edit to add it is my understanding there has never been a Pharaoh's mummy found in any of the 3 great pyramids so .....? 

There's art depicting burial and afterlife themes.  There are seeming remnants of outer sarcophagi.  King Tut's tomb suggests the pharaohs were buried with great riches which means they could have been robbed.  Powdered mummy was considered a medicine and even a paint additive and many mummies were plundered.

[ARM1968]

So much here to comment on, but probably pointless. I personally don’t think the pyramids were for any pharoah. I think we have pyramid construction backwards in effect.  They could well be older. Only thing linking Khufu is a dodgy cartouche above the grand gallery I believe, likely no more than 18/19th century graffiti. 

as for the Israelites. I have my own theory. A displaced outcast people, monotheistic. I think they were Arkenhaten’s people from Amana. Who knows really. And, in the end, what difference does any of it make?

[Harte]

The Israelites were in the East Nile Delta according to a web search.  They built the cities of Pithom and Rameses.  There are no major pyramids in the Nile delta.  The Great Pyramid was more than 60 miles to the south.

The Book of Exodus was composed during the Babylonian Captivity.
Rabbis were employed in the Babylonian libraries during the captivity.
Moses' origins mimic the origin of Sargon I, and a few other Mesopotamian characters.
There is no evidence for any specifically Hebrew existence in Egypt at any time. Just Syro - Canaanite.

Harte

[Solvedit]

The Book of Exodus was composed during the Babylonian Captivity.
Rabbis were employed in the Babylonian libraries during the captivity.
Moses' origins mimic the origin of Sargon I, and a few other Mesopotamian characters.
There is no evidence for any specifically Hebrew existence in Egypt at any time. Just Syro - Canaanite.

Harte

However, the lack of mention of pyramids in the Bible does not constitute evidence that they were not there.

Canaanites were present in the Nile delta as you have stated. Perhaps they had not yet developed a distinct culture or perhaps they took their few sacred things with them and had relied on Egyptian-made things like everyday pottery. The Book of Exodus seems to imply they did all right for themselves for a while.

From the Wikipedia page on Hyksos: "Hyksos rule might have been preceded by groups of Canaanite peoples who gradually settled in the Nile Delta from the end of the Twelfth Dynasty onwards and who may have seceded from the crumbling and unstable Egyptian control at some point during the Thirteenth Dynasty."
 

Moses' origins mimic the origin of Sargon I, and a few other Mesopotamian characters.

I hope you consider looking at my history subforum thread "Were kings actually slaves? Circumstantial etymological evidence from the Bible." The origin story could have been a stock lie used by nations which, like the Ottoman Empire, used slaves for administrative purposes, just like they had allegedly done to Joseph 300-400 years before Moses, albeit with a different origin story.

[Runespider]

There's art depicting burial and afterlife themes.  There are seeming remnants of outer sarcophagi.  King Tut's tomb suggests the pharaohs were buried with great riches which means they could have been robbed.  Powdered mummy was considered a medicine and even a paint additive and many mummies were plundered.

  Remains of a mummy were found in the Red Pyramid which may have been Sneferu, but we're destroyed in WWII due to fire bombing. 
 Djedkare Isesi was found in his pyramid at Saqara. Neferirkares bones were found in his pyramid. 
​​​​​​​ Aside from the looting mummification just wasn't what it would be in later dynasties. The few old kingdom mummies that have been found are mostly nines and scraps of linen.

[DPKing]

The Book of Exodus was composed during the Babylonian Captivity.
Rabbis were employed in the Babylonian libraries during the captivity.
Moses' origins mimic the origin of Sargon I, and a few other Mesopotamian characters.
There is no evidence for any specifically Hebrew existence in Egypt at any time. Just Syro - Canaanite.

Harte

I wouldnt say there is no evidence, possible tomb and statue of Joseph
https://youtu.be/Qxw1h-iJ_qE?t=233

Many other videos covering it
https://youtu.be/-DWeqCGbr6g?t=894

Pharoah discussion
https://youtu.be/2JusQxiTXnE?t=105

https://youtu.be/vKlkJZ4U6Wg?t=210

https://youtu.be/SndOJSV6QDs?t=228

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG5ar2eRm0M

[Harte]

I wouldnt say there is no evidence, possible tomb and statue of Joseph
https://youtu.be/Qxw1h-iJ_qE?t=233

Many other videos covering it
https://youtu.be/-DWeqCGbr6g?t=894

Pharoah discussion
https://youtu.be/2JusQxiTXnE?t=105

https://youtu.be/vKlkJZ4U6Wg?t=210

https://youtu.be/SndOJSV6QDs?t=228

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG5ar2eRm0M

Not seeing how that impacts the Exodus.
The fact that people mentioned in the Bible may have actually existed doesn't mean Moses parted the Red Sea or that the Hebrews were even IN Egypt, much less in captivity there.

Harte

[DPKing]

The Amarna letters discuss the conquest of Canaan, around the time after the Exodus.  The mayor/kings wrote for assistance from Egypt

Timelines
https://youtu.be/mLxE3JmHV2U?t=516


The Habiru = Hebrews
https://youtu.be/mLxE3JmHV2U?t=846