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Maybe we need to encourage disclaimers?
I see both sides of it, I'm honestly unworried about gatekeeping when it comes to civilised society because it's relatively tame and formal compared to say the language we find on social media. It's a different world compared to the craic down the pub etc.
Most people are seemingly not smart enough to veil their intent, concerns or meaning behind well chosen words. But most people talking crap online are nobodies who aren't worth going after. I'd rather a copper knocking on my door about some mean tweets than a lawyer working on behalf of someone with resources to waste.
Online is a bit of a fantasy no? Should people be held accountable for their online personas? If you play a complete nut case online could it not be assumed the same is true irl, if so should people be arrested or sent off to the funny farm due to the far out stuff they claim online?
I honestly don't know... The next few steps we take regarding thought and expression are vital, let's hope our footing is good because the consequences go way beyond personal choice of words and linguistic gatekeeping, neither of those are new either.
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(08-15-2025, 12:57 PM)ArMaP Wrote: To me they look like they could be interpreted in different ways, with "homeless" being someone without a home while "unhoused" sounds more like someone that has a house but is not there.
Besides the difference between "home" and "house", as one can live in a house that is not a home.
I'm guessing it's mostly about stigma, unhoused sounds slightly nicer. Homeless in the UK pretty much means of no fixed abode, sofa surfing, living with family or even in a hotel could be deemed as homeless.
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@ Ray1990
Fantasy and persona can easily be gauged by comparing the thought crime against other posts and behaviors.
I'd argue that the dopamine hits we receive from our online musings and rantings may also embolden people to take their unfiltered character into public.
For better or for worse.
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(08-15-2025, 01:27 PM)Ray1990 Wrote: I'm guessing it's mostly about stigma, unhoused sounds slightly nicer. Homeless in the UK pretty much means of no fixed abode, sofa surfing, living with family or even in a hotel could be deemed as homeless.
In Portugal we call them "shelterless".
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(08-15-2025, 02:24 PM)AlroyFarms Wrote: @Ray1990
Fantasy and persona can easily be gauged by comparing the thought crime against other posts and behaviors.
I'd argue that the dopamine hits we receive from our online musings and rantings may also embolden people to take their unfiltered character into public.
For better or for worse.
There's no thought crimes (to date) and it's never been common knowledge how thoughts and behaviours can be manipulated, most people aren't questioning the nature of consciousness and freewill either but I guess things can change.
Terrorist lists would be pretty long if we had thought crimes.
Cheap dopamine works though doesn't it? We're paying people to act like idiots because it's all incentivised.
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08-15-2025, 03:46 PM
This post was last modified: 08-15-2025, 03:47 PM by AlroyFarms. 
(08-15-2025, 03:35 PM)Ray1990 Wrote: There's no thought crimes (to date)
No but some places like the UK are flirting with it I think.
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(08-15-2025, 03:46 PM)AlroyFarms Wrote: No but some places like the UK are flirting with it I think.
That's probably hyperbole...
You'd have to heavily brainwash someone and probably heavily drug them from cradle to grave to actually police thoughts, that or brain implants.
We've always policed what we say, cheeky kids get a slap... Well, they used to.
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08-16-2025, 07:42 AM
This post was last modified: 08-16-2025, 07:50 AM by SurferSoul. 
(08-15-2025, 12:57 PM)ArMaP Wrote: To me they look like they could be interpreted in different ways, with "homeless" being someone without a home while "unhoused" sounds more like someone that has a house but is not there.
Besides the difference between "home" and "house", as one can live in a house that is not a home.
Was going to say something similar, words and their meaning provoke different emotional responses. Unhoused is certainly not the same as homeless, yet it is pushed as an alternative way of saying the same thing. It isn’t. In this case it’s a deliberate attempt diminish the meaning of homelessness and all the connotations that come with it.
They really are attempting to use Orwellian language against us.
Edit to add, what’s the difference between a home a house? A home is a dwelling, can be made “homely” a house is building and empty shell meant for dwelling but devoid of being a home until someone makes it so.
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(08-15-2025, 01:20 PM)Ray1990 Wrote: I honestly don't know... The next few steps we take regarding thought and expression are vital, let's hope our footing is good because the consequences go way beyond personal choice of words and linguistic gatekeeping, neither of those are new either.
Have to remember how people express themselves through words also depends on their vocabulary, their education or lack of, how their friends and social group express themselves and the intent and context. Also like myself some may be dyslexic or partially so, somewhere on scale. I often substitute words because I can’t spell the ones I’m after, diluting my meaning.
If it wasn’t for spell checker I’d make little sense at all, even then autocorrect occasionally throws in something I didn’t intend at all, got to read before you hit the send button.
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(08-15-2025, 09:53 AM)AlroyFarms Wrote: This is why the grammar nazis, the prose police, and the typo gestapo annoy me. I admit I will point out someone’s mistake to clarify meaning or intent, but rarely to belittle them or ignore their message. Sometimes the mistake or misspelling is there for a reason.
I'm dyslexic, so I see a lot of grammar cops, I have no advice for dealing with them.
Butt eye can tell u this. The English language is knot a exorcise inn intelligence its a exercise in stupidity.
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