More than 50 countries have reached out to the President to begin tariff negotiations

[SomeStupidName]

The article on scrap is from April and minimum wage at the time was 7.25 per hour the farm offer did offer 11 per hour 9-10 hours 7 days a week, If you don't like the terms you could try to negotiate new ones or simply go on to the next job.
https://www.dailydot.com/culture/hiring-...rs-job-ad/

Rather then promote hate, why wouldn't you be looking to promote a solution that works best for all sides like maybe a new work visa program that will automatically provide a path to citizenship?

[putnam6]

Oh noes, where is my soybeans and sugar cane gonna come from?

There will be anecdotal evidence on both sides of this issue,

But I'll live with 1.33% less soybeans, sugarcane, rice, and corn. Most of my produce comes from in-state family farms and vegetable stands. I was talking to one multi-generational small family farmer, and he said he uses a robotic service for crop harvest and a skeleton crew for planting and upkeep in between. 

His words adapt or die, There are subsidies for farmers to adapt and transition to whatever level of robotic assistance there is. He said a year and a half into using the service, he recouped his initial setup costs, and his wholesale prices per bushel are competitive. He said they do slightly  less volume planting but are more efficient and are seeing better crop yields 




Additionally
It's not crop management, but they have developed a robotic roof installer, which lays shingles faster, and is always at work 24/7, and no lunch hours between that and 3D and modular housing, we can still have our housing and1.33% less produce without letting in 20 million unvetted persons to do jobs.

for perspective

Louisiana’s produce output represents approximately 1.33% of America’s total produce output, based on 2022 data.

This estimate aligns with Louisiana’s role as a significant but not dominant agricultural state, with key crops like soybeans, sugarcane, rice, and corn contributing to its output.

[quintessentone]

The article on scrap is from April and minimum wage at the time was 7.25 per hour the farm offer did offer 11 per hour 9-10 hours 7 days a week, If you don't like the terms you could try to negotiate new ones or simply go on to the next job.
https://www.dailydot.com/culture/hiring-...rs-job-ad/

Rather then promote hate, why wouldn't you be looking to promote a solution that works best for all sides like maybe a new work visa program that will automatically provide a path to citizenship?

Your pushing your narrative against me isn't working, know why? Because I am pushing the facts and you can't argue with facts.

The fact that they took down that job posting says it all.

[putnam6]

Using anecdotal evidence from one farm in a state that produces 1.33% of America's produce yield, to justify 20 million unvetted non-citizens...

yeah let's do that...
 

 
Robustness of the Robotic Farming Industry
The agricultural robotics market is robust and expanding rapidly, fueled by technological advancements and structural challenges in traditional farming:

• Market Growth: The global agricultural robots market was valued at USD 14.74 billion in 2024 and is projected to reach USD 75 billion by 2030 (CAGR of 23.0%) or even USD 139.4 billion by 2035 (CAGR of 24.78%), depending on the forecast.
  • Key segments include UAVs/drones (35% market share in 2024), driverless tractors, and harvesting robots, with harvesting robots alone estimated at USD 2.24 billion in 2024, growing to USD 6.93 billion by 2030 (CAGR of 21.9%).
    
• Technological Advancements: Innovations in AI, machine vision, sensors, and electric powertrains enable robots to perform tasks like seeding, weeding, harvesting, and crop monitoring with precision. Companies like Carbon Robotics (LaserWeeder) and Naio Technologies (Oz robot) demonstrate practical applications.
  
• Drivers of Growth:
  • Labor Shortages: An aging workforce, declining immigration, and urban migration reduce available farm labor, particularly in developed nations like the U.S. and UK. For example, 10% of UK cucumber growers couldn’t plant crops in 2021 due to worker shortages.
    
  • Rising Labor Costs: U.S. farmworker wages have risen over 30 years, with unauthorized workers (40% of crop farmworkers in 2020–22) facing higher scrutiny, pushing farmers toward automation.
    
  • Sustainability Demands: Robots reduce chemical use and environmental impact, aligning with government subsidies for sustainable practices.
    
• Challenges:
  • High Initial Costs: Robots require significant upfront investment, limiting adoption among small-scale farmers.
    
  • Technical Limitations: Harvesting soft fruits like strawberries remains challenging due to variable shapes and delicate handling needs.
    
  • Skill Gaps: Farmers and workers need training (200–300 hours for proficiency) to operate and maintain robotic systems.
    

The industry’s robustness is evident in its growth trajectory and technological progress, supported by venture capital and government policies (e.g., UK’s Improving Farm Productivity grant). However, scalability and accessibility for smaller farms remain hurdles.
Potential to Replace Migrant Workers
Migrant workers, particularly in the U.S., are critical to agriculture, with 42% of crop farmworkers unauthorized and 68% foreign-born (mostly from Mexico and Central America) in 2020–22. Robotic systems could replace many of their roles, but the extent and timeline depend on task complexity and economic factors:

• Tasks Amenable to Automation:
  • Weeding and Seeding: Robots like Naio’s Oz and Carbon Robotics’ LaserWeeder excel at repetitive tasks, reducing labor needs.
    
  • Crop Monitoring: Drones and ground rovers provide aerial and soil data, replacing manual scouting.
    
  • Harvesting: Driverless tractors and material management robots dominate in controlled environments (e.g., greenhouses), with a 37% market share in 2024. However, harvesting soft fruits (e.g., strawberries, table grapes) is less advanced due to dexterity challenges, with most strawberries likely hand-picked for the next decade.
    
• Extent of Replacement:
  • Robots are already supplementing labor in high-wage, labor-scarce regions. For example, Taylor Farms in California uses robots to pack 60–80 salad bags per minute, doubling human output.
    
  • Studies suggest robots reduce employment, particularly for low-skilled workers. One robot per 1,000 workers lowers the employment-to-population ratio by 0.2 points and wages by 0.42%.
    
  • In China, a 1% increase in urban robot density raised rural labor re-migration by 0.249%, indicating a “crowding-out” effect on low-skilled migrant workers.
    
  • However, complete replacement is unlikely soon. Difficult-to-automate tasks (e.g., delicate fruit picking) still rely on migrant workers, especially in open-field farming.
    
• Social and Policy Factors:
  • Anti-immigration policies and declining legal migration (e.g., U.S. H-2A program growth slowed post-2007) accelerate automation but raise ethical concerns about displacing vulnerable workers.
    
  • Robots could improve working conditions by taking over hazardous tasks (e.g., pesticide spraying), but wage suppression and job loss remain risks for migrant workers.
    

Robots are poised to replace migrant workers in repetitive, high-labor tasks, particularly in controlled environments, but soft fruit harvesting and other nuanced tasks will likely require human labor for at least another decade, supplemented by mechanical aids.
Cost Analysis
The cost of adopting robotic farming systems versus relying on migrant labor involves upfront investments, operational expenses, and long-term savings, with significant variation by farm size and task:

• Robotic Systems Costs:
  • Upfront Investment: Agricultural robots range from USD 10,000 for small weeding robots (e.g., Naio’s Oz) to USD 500,000+ for advanced harvesting systems or driverless tractors. For example, Carbon Robotics’ LaserWeeder requires a multi-year lease costing tens of thousands annually.
    
  • Maintenance and Training: Annual maintenance can be 10–20% of the purchase price, and training workers takes 200–300 hours, adding labor costs during transition.
    
  • Energy Costs: Electric robots reduce fuel costs compared to diesel equipment, but battery infrastructure (e.g., charging stations) adds expense.
    
  • Robot-as-a-Service (RaaS): Models like Bluewhite’s autonomous tractor retrofits lower upfront costs by offering subscription-based services, with costs varying by farm size (e.g., USD 5,000–20,000/year for medium-scale farms).
    
• Migrant Labor Costs:
  • Wages: U.S. farmworker wages averaged USD 16.62/hour in 2022, with annual costs per worker (~2,000 hours/year) around USD 33,240. For a farm employing 10 workers, this totals USD 332,400/year.
    
  • Additional Costs: Housing, transportation, and compliance with labor regulations (e.g., H-2A program) add 20–30% to labor costs, pushing annual expenses for 10 workers to ~USD 400,000–430,000.
    
  • Rising Costs: Wages have risen steadily, and immigration crackdowns increase reliance on H-2A workers, who require employer-provided housing and transport, further escalating costs.
    
• Cost Comparison:
  • Short-Term: Robots are costlier upfront. A USD 100,000 robot (plus USD 20,000/year maintenance/training) versus USD 40,000/year for one migrant worker favors labor initially. However, one robot can replace multiple workers for repetitive tasks (e.g., Taylor Farms’ robots double human output).
    
  • Long-Term: Robots become cost-competitive within 3–5 years for large-scale farms. For example, a USD 500,000 harvesting robot replacing 10 workers (USD 400,000/year) breaks even in ~1.25 years, with savings thereafter. RaaS models accelerate ROI for mid-sized farms.
    
  • Case Study: Riviera Produce Ltd. (UK) lost USD 545,000 in 2021–22 due to unharvested crops from labor shortages. A USD 100,000 robot could have mitigated this loss, suggesting robots’ economic viability when labor is scarce.
    
• Economic Feasibility:
  • Large-Scale Farms: High capital capacity and labor shortages make robots attractive, with the fastest adoption in North America (37% market share in 2024).
    
  • Small-Scale Farms: High upfront costs and limited access to RaaS hinder adoption, keeping reliance on migrant labor. Subsidies (e.g., USDA’s USD 12.5 million for small businesses) could bridge this gap.
    
  • Imports as Competition: Rising imports (e.g., Mexican strawberries) depress U.S. grower prices, reducing funds for robotic investment and slowing automation for some crops.
    

Synthesis

• Robustness: The robotic farming industry is strong, with a projected market value of USD 75–139 billion by 2030–35, driven by labor shortages, technological innovation, and sustainability needs. Challenges include high costs and technical limitations for delicate tasks.
  
• Replacement of Migrant Workers: Robots can replace migrant workers in weeding, seeding, monitoring, and some harvesting tasks, particularly in greenhouses, but soft fruit harvesting will rely on human labor for at least a decade. Low-skilled migrant workers face the highest displacement risk, with ethical concerns about job loss.
  
• Costs: Robots require high initial investments (USD 10,000–500,000+), but long-term savings make them viable for large farms within 3–5 years. Migrant labor costs (USD 33,240–43,000/worker/year) are rising, making robots competitive, especially via RaaS models. Small farms face adoption barriers without subsidies.
  

Conclusion
The robotic farming industry is robust and growing, with significant potential to replace migrant workers in repetitive tasks, driven by labor shortages and wage increases. However, complete replacement is limited by technical challenges in soft fruit harvesting and high upfront costs, particularly for small farms. Large-scale farms can achieve cost savings within a few years, while RaaS models and subsidies could expand access. Migrant workers remain essential for nuanced tasks, but their roles may shift toward higher-skilled positions (e.g., robot operators) as automation advances

[putnam6]

The article on scrap is from April and minimum wage at the time was 7.25 per hour the farm offer did offer 11 per hour 9-10 hours 7 days a week, If you don't like the terms you could try to negotiate new ones or simply go on to the next job.
https://www.dailydot.com/culture/hiring-...rs-job-ad/

Rather then promote hate, why wouldn't you be looking to promote a solution that works best for all sides like maybe a new work visa program that will automatically provide a path to citizenship?

Exactly... we should always strive for food efficiency 

Produce-Specific Waste: Fruits and vegetables are a significant portion of this waste. Sources indicate that roughly 46% of fruits and vegetables produced in the U.S. are wasted, with some estimates suggesting up to 50% of produce is discarded.
Weight of Produce Waste: A 2016 report noted that approximately 60 million tons (120 billion pounds) of produce is thrown away annually in the U.S. This aligns with estimates that fruits and vegetables constitute a large share of the total food waste (around 30–40% of the 133 billion pounds).
Breakdown by Sector:

• Farms: About 16% of food waste occurs at the farm level, often due to cosmetic imperfections or unharvested crops. For produce, this can be as high as 25% or more of certain crops.
  

[putnam6]

Because the left told us to learn to code.

Well, except AI is extremely well suited for coding, I'm told.

[quintessentone]

Using anecdotal evidence from one farm in a state that produces 1.33% of America's produce yield, to justify 20 million unvetted non-citizens...

yeah let's do that...

How about doing each state? California yearly crop yields range from 11 - 12.5%.

"Immigration raids leave crops unharvested, California farms at risk
 "70% of the workers are gone," one farmer said as most of the work is mostly done by immigrants, impacting business."

"Over a third of U.S. vegetables and over three-quarters of the country’s fruits and nuts are grown in California, according to the California Department of Food and Agriculture. The state’s farms and ranches generated nearly $60 billion in agricultural sales in 2023."

Immigration raids leave crops unharvested, California farms at risk | Reuters

Show us where Trump has allocated monies for robotic crop pickers, farm animal management, etc.

[putnam6]

It's just too early to panic; farmers have time to adapt for the fall harvest season, and many factors and variables influence any state's produce harvest yields. 

My understanding is that there is a huge burgeoning industry, where a robotic farming service industry is growing to help the smaller farmer adapt, it's just the 38% that use migrant workers, which means 62% do not. There's no doubt those 38% will find alternative methods, with the softer crops being the only ones that can't be harvested effectively robotically, like strawberries 
 Drop-Off in Harvest Yields
California’s agricultural yields have experienced fluctuations, with some crops showing declines due to climate, water, labor, and economic factors. Below is an analysis of whether there has been a drop-off in harvest yields,


The average cost of strawberries, a Cali staple and a migrant worker crop, is currently pretty low in America, at least 




 

Main and Largest Harvest Season for California
California’s agricultural harvest season varies by crop due to its diverse climates and over 400 commodities, but the main and largest harvest season generally spans late spring through fall, with peak activity from July to October. This period is critical for many of California’s high-value crops, particularly fruits, vegetables, and nuts, which account for over a third of U.S. vegetables and three-quarters of U.S. fruits and nuts. Specifics include:

• Summer (June–August): Key crops like tomatoes, peaches, nectarines, apricots, and processing tomatoes are harvested. For example, processing tomatoes in the San Joaquin Valley are harvested over several weeks during this period to manage canning operations.
  
• Fall (September–October): This is the peak for almonds, walnuts, pistachios, table grapes, and wine grapes, especially in the Central Valley and regions like Napa and Sonoma. The fall harvest is particularly significant for nuts (e.g., almonds, with orchard floors cleared and trees shaken) and grapes, which are major export commodities.
  
• Strawberries: While planted from late September to October in Ventura County, harvesting peaks from April to June, with up to 10 million pint baskets shipped daily. However, some coastal berry harvests (e.g., raspberries, blackberries) extend into fall.
  
• Other Crops: Crops like lettuce, broccoli, and squash are harvested along the Central Coast in fall, while citrus (e.g., Valencia oranges) and avocados may continue into late summer or fall, depending on the region.
  

The fall season (September–October) is often considered the largest due to the high volume and value of nut and grape harvests, which are among California’s top commodities (e.g., almonds and grapes were among the top 10 valued commodities in 2023, contributing to $59.4 billion in cash receipts).
Drop-Off in Harvest Yields
California’s agricultural yields have experienced fluctuations, with some crops showing declines due to climate, water, labor, and economic factors. Below is an analysis of whether there has been a drop-off in harvest yields, drawing on available data:
Evidence of Yield Declines

• Climate and Water Challenges:
  • Drought and Water Restrictions: California’s agriculture relies heavily on irrigation (80% of state water consumption), and the 2020–22 drought, combined with the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act (SGMA), reduced water availability. In 2021, the Sacramento Valley lost ~11% of crop revenues, and the Russian River Basin saw a 24% revenue drop due to drought and wildfire smoke damage. By the 2040s, SGMA could force 900,000 acres of irrigated cropland out of production, particularly in the San Joaquin Valley, potentially lowering yields for water-intensive crops like almonds and pistachios.
    
  • Climate Change: Warmer winters and temperature variations have impacted yields for permanent crops like almonds, walnuts, and strawberries. For instance, high winter temperatures could reduce walnut yields once every decade, and in the southern San Joaquin Valley, this could occur every five years due to poor pollination. A 2°C temperature increase has been linked to yield reductions in almonds, wine grapes, and strawberries.
    
  • 2024 Specifics: The 2024 harvest saw lower-than-normal yields for some white grape varieties due to a wet winter delaying budbreak, a cool early summer, and a hot July. Heat-related damage was reported in some peach, plum, and nectarine orchards in 2024.
    
• Specific Crop Declines:
  • Almonds: The 2021 almond harvest was forecast to decline due to a historic drought, leading to some orchard abandonment.
    
  • Wine Grapes: The 2020 table grape harvest was worth $2.12 billion, but wine grape value dropped 15.3% year-on-year, with a 17% lower yield by weight compared to 2018. However, 2021 saw improved yields.
    
  • Walnuts: Oversupply and competition from China crashed walnut prices (from $3,700/ton in 2013 to $700/ton recently), leading to excess inventory (130,000 tons from 2021) and some growers uprooting trees, indirectly affecting production.
    
  • Cotton: By 2021, cotton yields dropped significantly, with a harvest of 1,038,500 short hundredweight from 6,700 acres compared to 10,500–11,000 acres in 1997–2000, reflecting a long-term decline.
    
• Labor Shortages: Immigration raids and policies in 2025 caused labor shortages, leaving crops unharvested. For example, in Ventura and Kern Counties, fields saw 70–80% worker reductions, leading to crops like bell peppers and strawberries rotting due to delayed picking. This effectively reduced marketable yields, as unpicked crops are lost.
  

Counterpoints and Resilience

• Overall Production Stability: Despite challenges, California’s agricultural output remains robust, with $59.4 billion in cash receipts in 2023, a 1.4% increase from 2022. Organic crop sales grew 21.7% from 2019 to 2023, indicating resilience in some sectors.
  
• Improved Yields in Some Years: For example, the 2021 wine grape harvest rebounded from 2020, with 5,755,000 short tons harvested from 829,000 acres at a higher yield (6.94 short tons/acre).
  
• Technological Adaptations: Precision farming (e.g., GPS-guided machinery, drip irrigation) and integrated pest management have boosted yields for some crops by reducing waste and improving efficiency.
  
• Crop Diversification: Farmers are adapting to climate change by testing new crops like mangoes and agave, which are more drought- and heat-tolerant, potentially offsetting yield losses in traditional crops.
  

On-Farm Food Loss Context

• A 2016–2017 study found that 31.3% of marketed yield (11,299 kg/ha) of hand-harvested crops in northern and central California was left in fields post-harvest, rising to 33.7% when including unharvested “walk-by” fields. This loss, driven by low market prices, labor shortages, and buyer specifications, effectively reduces usable yields, exacerbating perceived drops.
  

Conclusion
California’s main harvest season peaks from July to October, with September–October being the largest for high-value crops like almonds, walnuts, and grapes. Yield drop-offs have occurred in specific crops and years due to:

• Drought and water restrictions (e.g., 2020–22 impacting almonds, grapes).
  
• Climate change effects (e.g., warmer winters reducing walnut and strawberry yields).
  
• Labor shortages from 2025 immigration policies, leaving crops unharvested.
  
• Economic factors like oversupply (e.g., walnuts) and low prices.
  

However, overall production value has remained stable or grown, with technological advancements and crop diversification mitigating some losses. Exact yield data for 2024–2025 is incomplete, but reports suggest localized declines (e.g., white grapes, heat-damaged stone fruits) rather than a statewide collapse. For precise 2025 yield data, check USDA’s National Agricultural Statistics Service (nass.usda.gov) for updated reports.

[putnam6]

no wonder....

Looks like Cali is making it more difficult to implement robotic farming tech; they are hamstringing their own farmers because they are beholden to the migrant population.

Doesn't it make sense to limit those migrant jobs, and we would have fewer migrants that Cali needs to employ



https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/au...a/3878319/

California farmers are currently forbidden from utilizing driverless tractors, even though driverless cars have been allowed on busy roadways throughout the state for years. Senior Investigative Reporter Bigad Shaban explains.
From flame-wielding robots to driverless tractors, autonomous technology is fueling a robot revolution across America’s farmlands.  While much of the agricultural advancements were produced in California, farmers in the state are frustrated by the fact they aren’t legally allowed to utilize the technology.
“It's crazy,” said Larry Jacobs, who has been farming in California for the past 40 years.  “It doesn't make any sense.”

 
California's ban on autonomous agricultural equipment dates back to 1970sWhen it comes to farming equipment, an operator must be “stationed” at the controls, according to California safety regulations.  Those rules were written nearly 50 years ago, long before autonomous tech was developed.  While the original intention wasn’t to ban new technology, that is essentially what has happened. Though these agricultural innovations were largely developed in California, farmers across the state are not allowed to fully benefit from them, even though California produces more than 40% of the country’s vegetables and nearly 70% of the nation’s fruits and nuts, according to data from the USDA Census of Agriculture.

 
Thousands of farming jobs likely to remain vacant over next decadeMore than 88,000 farming positions are expected to go unfilled every year through the next decade, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Meanwhile, farmers aren’t getting any younger, with the average age now nearly 60 years old.
"Farmers just can't find people to fill these jobs and technology, like this, is absolutely essential to drive agriculture in the state forward," said Igino Cafiero, a leading engineer at John Deere. "This is about attracting the next generation of farmers."
John Deere, one of the biggest names in agricultural equipment, began researching autonomous technology more than two decades ago in hopes of ultimately unveiling its own line of self-driving robots. The company recently unveiled its latest autonomous innovations, which include a lawn mower, heavy-duty hauler, and two types of self-driving tractors. So far, the company has only rolled out its tractors to customers, with promises to release more autonomous equipment in the coming years.
Those tractors are currently being used by farmers in 11 states but not California. The company says it will hold off on actually selling its self-driving tools across the state because of California's current restrictions.
"We want to do things right," said Clint Masterson, product manager for the orchard autonomy product at John Deere.
"That means working with [the] California legislature to make sure that the law is clear before we release a product."

[xuenchen]

You and some others here will just be looking away, as usual, and calling BS...because...orange man allegedly good.

Meanwhile, farmers are losing their farms. But that's what happened last time Trump was in office and he'll just bail them out with your tax dollars, as per usual. Rinse and repeat.

Major downward revisions in the downward spiral for job losses.

[Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nigX9iC-RWg]

Check out this job posting:

"A Louisiana staffing agency is getting dragged after posting a job ad offering an $11-per-hour, 7-day-a-week farm labor job in the summer sun. The ad, which has since been taken down, promised zero days off and shifts lasting up to 10 hours a day to pick blueberries."

10-hour shifts, 7 days a week, $11/hr: This job ad got went viral for all ... - Scrap.com

Why aren't MAGA jumping at the chance to replace the deported immigrants that they say stole their jobs?

You ARE falling for anything more than usual lately 
Wait till you get the full story on the BLS "Reports"