Lay offs and A.I. Robots

[putnam6]

I have been quite effectively put in my place! 

I wasn't meaning to argue the totality of a perspective of desire...

Perhaps for my purposes 'avarice' would have been better than 'greed?'

Touche!

Is it the FIGHTER label? 

 That's why it seems everybody comes hard when Im just posting happily while eating my peas and cornbread contentedly 

We think differently, there's no right or wrong, just different... besides it's 30 plus years in sales 

For example, you see it as me putting you in your place, whereas

Im just stating and clarifying my thoughts...

If I were a FINANCIALLY greedy SOB, my credit score wouldn't be flat lining

PS 

I had to look up avarice just to be sure. I know we aren't supposed to covet
But I do sometimes have an inordinate desire for some supposed good, so sue me

avarice /ăv′ə-rĭs/
noun

1. Immoderate desire for wealth; cupidity.
   
2. An excessive or inordinate desire of gain; greediness for wealth; covetousness; cupidity.
   Similar: covetousnesscupidity
   
3. An inordinate desire for some supposed good.
   

[Unknownparadox]

Corporately, greed feeds innovation. Ive seen it at work up close.

Generally that innovation does not equate to something good, for humans or the planet. 

For instance when the Obama administration issued strict Co2 emissions on smaller cars. While allowing mid sized and larger vehicles a practical free pass on Co2 emissions. We got larger vehicles as the standard mode of transportation. Cars and trucks are quite a bit bigger than they were in the 90's and early 2000's. 

The car companies innovation was. It's cheaper to make larger cars with less Co2 emission standards. Than it is to research and test new ways to squeeze more out of a gallon of gas. Of course Obama should have seen that coming. It's almost like they did it on purpose. All the while we are supposed to be lowering emissions. 

So now corporate innovation is. To build carbon capture plants. Which are inefficient to say the least. And guess where they will get part of their power from. Biomass power plants, AKA tree burners. 

More robots/AI/spyware/drones is not helping the general population. While there is some instances of robots/AI helping the human race. A factory full of robots and a sky full of drones, isn't helping the population. 

These robots/AI, all require resources to be built, and they will be building them selves as much as possible. Which raises the price of everything. And since at least a 100 million people in the USA require jobs. And a lot of those jobs are now taken by resource hungry robots. This equates to less jobs, lower wages and higher cost of every thing.

[Maxmars]

Is it the FIGHTER label? 

 That's why it seems everybody comes hard when Im just posting happily while eating my peas and cornbread contentedly ...

I always respect your opinion... and mostly offer contrary ideas so I can experience your 
perspective more completely.  I too have that issue recurring from time to time. 
I often get the impression that I am perceived a presumptuously challenging person... often exacerbated by my tendency to be a TLDR champion.

I didn't perceive you as out of turn in any way...
but I laughed hard at how effectively you countered 
my grumpy old man rant on greed...

It was goood.

That's one thing I can usually expect from fighters.
Actual content.

Sorry if I gave you the impression I was hurt...
.. in fact, I was celebrating it!

"Greed" is such a widely-used word, it is no wonder the
meaning slips and slides...

In your career example... I would not use "greed" as a choice of word...
but I am not challenging your definition... only exploring it.

[putnam6]

Generally that innovation does not equate to something good, for humans or the planet. 

For instance when the Obama administration issued strict Co2 emissions on smaller cars. While allowing mid sized and larger vehicles a practical free pass on Co2 emissions. We got larger vehicles as the standard mode of transportation. Cars and trucks are quite a bit bigger than they were in the 90's and early 2000's. 

The car companies innovation was. It's cheaper to make larger cars with less Co2 emission standards. Than it is to research and test new ways to squeeze more out of a gallon of gas. Of course Obama should have seen that coming. It's almost like they did it on purpose. All the while we are supposed to be lowering emissions. 

So now corporate innovation is. To build carbon capture plants. Which are inefficient to say the least. And guess where they will get part of their power from. Biomass power plants, AKA tree burners. 

More robots/AI/spyware/drones is not helping the general population. While there is some instances of robots/AI helping the human race. A factory full of robots and a sky full of drones, isn't helping the population. 

These robots/AI, all require resources to be built, and they will be building them selves as much as possible. Which raises the price of everything. And since at least a 100 million people in the USA require jobs. And a lot of those jobs are now taken by resource hungry robots. This equates to less jobs, lower wages and higher cost of every thing.

Yeah, I don't see bigger cars are the threat that you do, though I respect your opinion. Furthermore, thats not even real innovation; it was finding a loophole in government regulations. No more, no less

Innovation is Volvo's invention of the shoulder harness seat restraint, and sharing the patent with all auto manufacturers

So tell me who is gonna purchase all the shit the robots are making FFS. just the 1% wealthy

Hell, when and if the American consumer's purchasing power collapses, so will China.

[Unknownparadox]

Yeah, I don't see bigger cars are the threat that you do

Well that's your mistake. Because no matter if you believe Co2 is warming the planet or not. Cleaner more efficient transportation, results in cleaner air and cheaper oil prices, since not as much fuel is consumed. Plus you spend less at the pump, since your vehicle uses less fuel. And prices are down since there is less demand for fuel.
 

 Furthermore, thats not even real innovation; it was finding a loophole in government regulations. No more, no less

Yeah that's what I said. Right here➡"The car companies innovation was. It's cheaper to make larger cars with less Co2 emission standards." The giant loophole Obama left for them.
 

Innovation is Volvo's invention of the shoulder harness seat restraint, and sharing the patent with all auto manufacturers

While they may have shared a shoulder harness seat restraint. That certainly doesn't make them any kind of hero. Just search Volvo scandal.
 

So tell me who is gonna purchase all the shit the robots are making FFS. just the 1% wealthy

You mean you don't know? You already are, everyone is, and has been since they started replacing people with robots. You're seeing the effect of all that great innovation right now. Well not as much of it. Since democrats and republicans have tried to stomp out homeless camps. By practically outlawing homelessness. Just because the majority gets poorer, that doesn't mean they will quit eating, or wearing cloths. Or owning computers or cell phones, since at least 1 is a necessity. 

Crime will go up and the quality of life for more Americans, then what we already have will go down. And profits for one of the many if not most of the monopolies we have these days, will go up.

If you are not worried about robots taking jobs. Then you must not be worried about illegals taking jobs. And since that cheap labor force is being run off. Robots are up as a replacement.

[putnam6]

Even AI is suggesting you are overstating the impact on job loss so far

 

Overview of Job Displacement Due to Robots and AI in the US
Quantifying the exact number of American jobs "lost" to robots and AI is challenging because:

• Displacement vs. net loss: Many jobs are transformed (e.g., tasks automated, but new roles created) rather than fully eliminated. Studies often report displacement (workers needing to switch occupations) or automation risk, not just permanent losses.
  
• Attribution: Job losses can stem from multiple factors (e.g., recessions, trade, offshoring), and isolating robots/AI is imprecise. Automation includes both traditional robotics (e.g., factory arms) and modern AI (e.g., generative tools like ChatGPT).
  
• Time frame: Impacts have accelerated since the 2010s, with AI surging post-2022. Data up to November 2025 shows modest recent losses but larger historical ones from broader automation.
  
• Sources: Estimates draw from academic studies (e.g., MIT, Ball State), reports (e.g., World Economic Forum, McKinsey, Oxford Economics), and trackers (e.g., Challenger, Gray & Christmas). Public perception often overestimates losses (e.g., surveys show people think 29-47% of jobs are gone, vs. actual ~14%).
  

Key Historical and Cumulative Estimates (Up to 2025)
Based on peer-reviewed studies and economic analyses, the most substantiated cumulative figure for US jobs displaced by automation (primarily robots in manufacturing, plus emerging AI) since the early 2000s is 1.7-2 million. This focuses on direct displacement, mainly in manufacturing, where robots have been dominant.

[cherokeetroy]

Well that's your mistake. Because no matter if you believe Co2 is warming the planet or not. Cleaner more efficient transportation, results in cleaner air and cheaper oil prices, since not as much fuel is consumed. Plus you spend less at the pump, since your vehicle uses less fuel. And prices are down since there is less demand for fuel.
 
Yeah that's what I said. Right here➡"The car companies innovation was. It's cheaper to make larger cars with less Co2 emission standards." The giant loophole Obama left for them.
 
While they may have shared a shoulder harness seat restraint. That certainly doesn't make them any kind of hero. Just search Volvo scandal.
 
You mean you don't know? You already are, everyone is, and has been since they started replacing people with robots. You're seeing the effect of all that great innovation right now. Well not as much of it. Since democrats and republicans have tried to stomp out homeless camps. By practically outlawing homelessness. Just because the majority gets poorer, that doesn't mean they will quit eating, or wearing cloths. Or owning computers or cell phones, since at least 1 is a necessity. 

Crime will go up and the quality of life for more Americans, then what we already have will go down. And profits for one of the many if not most of the monopolies we have these days, will go up.

If you are not worried about robots taking jobs. Then you must not be worried about illegals taking jobs. And since that cheap labor force is being run off. Robots are up as a replacement.

The middle class will continue to be squeezed until its decimated

[UltraBudgie]

The middle class will continue to be squeezed until its decimated

I'm imagining that sexbots are going to literally suck lonely Millennials dry of any remaining saving that student loan debt doesn't. They might have stopped buying new cars, but they'll buy those things I bet.

Really, sexbots are pretty much the only card techbros still have to play. The creative well is dry. Job replacement, sexbots, alien invasion.

[cherokeetroy]

I'm imagining that sexbots are going to literally suck lonely Millennials dry of any remaining saving that student loan debt doesn't. They might have stopped buying new cars, but they'll buy those things I bet.

Really, sexbots are pretty much the only card techbros still have to play. The creative well is dry. Job replacement, sexbots, alien invasion.

Sexbots? You sound pretty knowledgeable in that department but tbh, everyone will escape their pathetic lives through tech. We're already doing it. This is just a level up. Full immersion virtual reality where you get to live out the life of your dreams and be anyone you want by recreating yourself through a digital avatar. Who wouldn't want that. The sheep will be herded into the Metaverse. That's the whole goal

[UltraBudgie]

Sexbots? You sound pretty knowledgeable in that department but tbh, everyone will escape their pathetic lives through tech. We're already doing it. This is just a level up. Full immersion virtual reality where you get to live out the life of your dreams and be anyone you want by recreating yourself through a digital avatar. Who wouldn't want that. The sheep will be herded into the Metaverse. That's the whole goal

Here you go:



Why does it have tits? And dat ass!

Sad truth is porn and sex are at the forefront of technology. It's the reason VCRs became popular and it's a huge portion of internet traffic. Heck, sometimes I think the modern cell phone exists because some nerd 30 years ago thought "I want every piece of porn in existence, available instantly, on a screen I can put in my pocket and carry anywhere!". Certainly, the reality we have is indistinguishable from that amusing thought.

We're already seeing it with AI chatbots; people are developing unhealthy codependent relationships as an intimacy substitute. Heck, it is the "new" intimacy. So yeah, humans being humans, there will be a huge market for AI android "companions". Everyone in the industry knows; if they say they don't they're just pretending.