Israel to spend $4.1M to influence Christians in US

[Bootless]

Kwaka post is the interesting one here. It ties into the other threads nicely

and this
https://youtu.be/NejsITNlxg4?t=422

If I remember correctly, Kairos is one of the organizations that guy is said to fund. I'm wondering if that's the same as Kairos Palestine.

I read the 2009 document A Moment of Truth A word of faith, hope, and love from the heart of Palestinian suffering back in 2009. Check out the [ Reaction to the document ] section of the wikipedia article.

2.3.2 Our presence in this land, as Christian and Muslim Palestinians, is not accidental but rather deeply rooted in the history and geography of this land, resonant with the connectedness of any other people to the land it lives in. It was an injustice when we were driven out. The West sought to make amends for what Jews had endured in the countries of Europe, but it made amends on our account and in our land. They tried to correct an injustice and the result was a new injustice.
 
2.3.3 Furthermore, we know that certain theologians in the West try to attach a biblical and theological legitimacy to the infringement of our rights. Thus, the promises, according to their interpretation, have become a menace to our very existence. The "good news" in the Gospel itself has become "a harbinger of death" for us. We call on these theologians to deepen their reflection on the Word of God and to rectify their interpretations so that they might see in the Word of God a source of life for all peoples.
 
2.3.4 Our connectedness to this land is a natural right. It is not an ideological or a theological question only. It is a matter of life and death. There are those who do not agree with us, even defining us as enemies only because we declare that we want to live as free people in our land. We suffer from the occupation of our land because we are Palestinians. And as Christian Palestinians we suffer from the wrong interpretation of some theologians. Faced with this, our task is to safeguard the Word of God as a source of life and not of death, so that "the good news" remains what it is, "good news" for us and for all. In face of those who use the Bible to threaten our existence as Christian and Muslim Palestinians, we renew our faith in God because we know that the word of God can not be the source of our destruction.

2.4 Therefore, we declare that any use of the Bible to legitimize or support political options and positions that are based upon injustice, imposed by one person on another, or by one people on another, transform religion into human ideology and strip the Word of God of its holiness, its universality and truth.

Here's an interesting article linked to from the wikipedia: Why I’m Not a Christian Zionist

[Sirius]

If I remember correctly, Kairos is one of the organizations that guy is said to fund. I'm wondering if that's the same as Kairos Palestine.

I read the 2009 document A Moment of Truth A word of faith, hope, and love from the heart of Palestinian suffering back in 2009. Check out the [ Reaction to the document ] section of the wikipedia article.

Here's an interesting article linked to from the wikipedia: Why I’m Not a Christian Zionist

I'm just going to froggy jump away from here. Have you heard about Polymer physics and Förster resonance energy transfer? fascinating stuff ..enzyme activity and protein and RNA folding using techniques like fluorescence resonance energy transfer 

[UltraBudgie]

If I remember correctly, Kairos is one of the organizations that guy is said to fund. I'm wondering if that's the same as Kairos Palestine.

I read the 2009 document A Moment of Truth A word of faith, hope, and love from the heart of Palestinian suffering back in 2009. Check out the [ Reaction to the document ] section of the wikipedia article.

Here's an interesting article linked to from the wikipedia: Why I’m Not a Christian Zionist

What can one say, objectively?

Everything one reads in the mainstream about the situation in Palestine indicates that the situation is complex, with an entire depth of nuance, contextualized religious and cultural interpretation, various points of view, and intersecting historical narratives. Not something that can be casually understood by the layperson. There are entire schools of Middle East study, and no clear consensus, with exception of course of the given facts of Jewish suffering. So when someone presents a take on the situation that immediately sounds notes of unambiguous moral clarity, doesn't it make you a little bit suspicious that you're being manipulated?

Thanks for the link. There's just so much propaganda. With so many "human rights" organizations labelling Israel's actions genocidal, it's more important than ever to be aware of it.¹ Who can we trust?


¹ Is getting more difficult to be objective. I really oscillated quite a bit with where the scare-quotes ought to be in that sentence.

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I've never seen anyone drink a pint glass of chicken soup so quickly.

[Bootless]

What can one say, objectively?

Everything one reads in the mainstream about the situation in Palestine indicates that the situation is complex, with an entire depth of nuance, contextualized religious and cultural interpretation, various points of view, and intersecting historical narratives. Not something that can be casually understood by the layperson. There are entire schools of Middle East study, and no clear consensus, with exception of course of the given facts of Jewish suffering. So when someone presents a take on the situation that immediately sounds notes of unambiguous moral clarity, doesn't it make you a little bit suspicious that you're being manipulated?

Thanks for the link. There's just so much propaganda. With so many "human rights" organizations labelling Israel's actions genocidal, it's more important than ever to be aware of it.¹ Who can we trust?


¹ Is getting more difficult to be objective. I really oscillated quite a bit with where the scare-quotes ought to be in that sentence.

I'm currently reading Terry Pratchett Nation.

I was sad reading the Kairos Document again. Just like the gods in Nation didn't prevent the tsunami from wiping out almost every human in the Island chain, so also, no Jesus or god is saving the Palestinians.

So what? Their appeal is to the Western Christian Theologians to get their shit together and oppose genocide even though "false doctrine" states genocide is necessary for the "future glory of God".

But the preachers of "necessary ethnic cleansing" are being paid by Israel to push that narrative. And the MSM is being bought up by billionaires with pro-Israel agendas.


 
Bari Weiss to Head CBS News as Pro-Trump, Pro-Israel Billionaire Ellison Family Expands Media Empire

We speak to journalist David Klion about the Trump-affiliated right wing's increasing grip on mainstream news media, as "anti-woke" pundit Bari Weiss takes the helm as the new editor-in-chief of CBS News. The former New York Times opinion writer, who left the paper over what she alleged was a climate of censorship, brands herself as a champion of free speech, but in reality "has a 20-year history of suppressing speech that she finds objectionable, especially when it's speech championing the rights of Palestinians and criticizing the state of Israel," says Klion. Weiss's ascension comes just after CBS's parent company, Paramount, completed a merger with Skydance, the media company founded by the son of billionaire Larry Ellison. Ellison, the founder of the tech company Oracle and soon-to-be part owner of social media platform TikTok in the U.S., is also a staunch supporter of Israel and has close ties to Donald Trump. Weiss's appointment by the Ellisons "is an ideological power play," says Klion. "It's about elevating her political ideology over the most important and storied news brands in the United States."

And now more Israel money backed influencers are going directly to US churches. Never fear; no doubt the congregations will be asked by their pastors to take up a special offering to go to "the glorious cause of hastening the end of the World". Of course the "raptured will miss the gnarly part".

I saw a youtube title something like "Israel will pay $7K for each pro-Israel post". Money buys influence.

But the Brits didn't genocide Palestinians for a Jewish homeland. They handed the question to League of Nations. League of Nations had a partition plan. It didn't get carried out like Cyprus partition did*. Palestinian Partition got handed off to United Nations, with a freking map and everything.  As far as I know, the UN hasn't officially killed a two state solution.

But nobody with the power seems inclined to prevent the current genocide and ethnic cleansing.

 

*I guess Mandela effect now says that Cyprus is still not resolved.

[UltraBudgie]

But nobody with the power seems inclined to prevent the current genocide and ethnic cleansing.

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What still gets me annoyed is the "it's not genocide!" and "there's no ethnic cleansing!" blather, usually followed by something like "well they'd do it too if we let them!" and some variation of "they're evil so our evil doesn't count!"

I mean, just admit you want them gone, and don't really care how. At least that's honest, if abominable. Or "the Book says kill so we kill". I don't have to respect a religious fanatic, but I can at least respect that they have some kind of principles, such as they are.

The constant mutating lies are so pathetic. But still they "work", in that they show the bones of the synthetic opinion, gaslighting and censorship apparatus. But still it doesn't seem to matter? At one point the line was that the moonscape in Gaza was caused by Hamas booby-trapping all the buildings. Surreal.

Thank you for your honesty, anyway.

[argentus]

I'm not in the U.S., but I am a Christian, and I could certainly do with some real-time "bolstering".

[Sirius]

I've never seen anyone drink a pint glass of chicken soup so quickly.

https://denyignorance.com/Thread-BREAKIN...peace-deal

[Bootless]

I'm not in the U.S., but I am a Christian, and I could certainly do with some real-time "bolstering".

Love your neighbor.

----- anecdote -----

Just had my first cup of coffee today.
The water is currently cut off. No toilet flushing, showers, or coffee for 13 hrs.

But a guy who identifies as Christian brought over 4 gallons of water.
So Christians can be okay. There is no command to be not nice to neighbors.

No telling when the water will be back on. I'll skip the toilet flushing and showering and keep the coffee pot filled.
If I don't eat then maybe I won't need to poop.

[Creaky]

So what? Their appeal is to the Western Christian Theologians to get their shit together and oppose genocide even though "false doctrine" states genocide is necessary for the "future glory of God".

Christianity unlike many other faiths encourages individuals believers to seek the truth, question their faith and even question God
Its not a sin to study, research and wrestle with issues that question our faith 
personally i never questioned the whole “Israel/Zionist thing, of late it has caught my attention and find my beliefs in my previous beliefs around Israel to be based on a false narrative.

And it turns out there are many others I have met believing we have been lied to
I have a feeling that this influence, the 4.1 million is a response to issues those offering the incentives have noted 
As for just 4.1 million, that’s what they are saying

[UltraBudgie]

As for just 4.1 million, that’s what they are saying

I just did a quick bit of research about something I mentioned on page 1. Once established, domestic money can be funnelled into foreign organizations without triggering FARA reporting requirements, in certain cases. For example:

(e) Religious, scholastic, or scientific pursuits

Any person engaging or agreeing to engage only in activities in furtherance of bona fide religious, scholastic, academic, or scientific pursuits or of the fine arts;

...which may help explain why there are so many academic "Middle East Studies" centers, and organizations for the "scholarly study of anti-Semitism". They can collect and use funds without having to disclose.

There's also a fun exemption for "Defense of foreign government vital to United States defense". See 22 USC 613 for details:
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=...ion=prelim