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(03-12-2025, 08:40 AM)AlienSun Wrote: "The internet is full of weird and wonderful things that people cling to without any basis in reality."
Yes and no when there are no barriers to prevent honest/dishonest discourse. The issue is that very often government and its hand-maiden, Science, as its propaganda tool is called, is used to hide reality, as is plainly the case with eight decades of hiding the reality of UFOs.
There's no need to hide any thing, the lack of consistent UFO data is not good for a scientific treatment.
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(09-20-2024, 06:46 PM)Karl12 Wrote: Is literally everyone full of shit these days?
Including 'science'?
Vid
Examinations Of Utter Corruption In Science:
Yes.
:beer:
Please examine the links before posting a kneejerk reaction.
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This seems to be all about misuse of statistics.
Good science would not draw conclusions from such a small dataset. Any such paper would be demolished in peer review.
Unfortunately, many papers published online are not actually peer reviewed, but are preprints, and this 'muddies the waters', as anyone can write anything, and it can appear as if it is science to people who are outside of scientific and academic circles.
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I firmly believe that certain areas of science walk a fine line between arrogance and gang-mentality but for the most part, I appreciate their efforts. Anything is better than religion
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I so want to believe that scientists actually transported data via quantum entanglement, so did they actually achieve that goal or am I part of the problem believing that they did? Who or what is there to challenge their findings?
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Yes the problem in the OP is that it is way too small of a sample set of data. I would think this is obvious to anyone.
This of course does not address the obvious hubris, arrogance and petty censoring of colleagues, rivals, and 'uncredentialled' scientists who are not part of the status quo clubs.
Science is about the pure search for information and most of all, EXPERIMENTATION.
You have to experiment and fail to learn.
Now, ScienTISM is the new religion that really grew during COVID, that worships anyone with a Doctorate and a public mouthpiece/platform, as the end all be all of information.
In ScientTISM you cannot question the authority, and you are told to NOT think for yourself, and NOT experiment.
Two largely different things.
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Another thought, after watching the Rogan/Vallee interview (mark 1:41.00), he said he and Dr. Nolan were given a piece of strange metal supposedly from a UFO (I think he said from a Raytheon base? could be wrong).
Questionable samples were given to Stamford Uni. for an isotope analysis. Vallee explains instrumentation experts are needed to interpret the findings. In science, he says, they have to be careful, and redo it in a different lab using a different machine, and then see what they find. Vallee says they are still working on questionable samples and what steps science has to take with today's technology. Vallee says they were not experts in steel, so they need to include materials experts, who asked the scientists many questions as to why they didn't do this?, why didn't you do that? etc.
In other words, they first need to get the methodology correct and that, IMO, requires other scientific, medical, or what have you, fields being involved. In other words, scientific investigations, especially with questionable unknowns need a multidisciplinary investigative approach.
I think the video is worth a listen from mark 1:41.00 at least to get Vallee's take on investigative science approaches.
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When I was in school. Science was about theories. They would come up with a theory and then study and learn to see if that theory would hold ture. Now they create a fact, and then manipulate date and evidence until it proves the fact they created. Science is now shit!
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Science is wonderful. Exploration, discovery, learning…
Scientific dogma and political driven ‘science’ eg ‘the science is settled’ is absolute bs.
But same today as always, must be a human condition. E.g. Galileo
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(03-13-2025, 01:11 PM)Awhispersecho Wrote: When I was in school. Science was about theories. They would come up with a theory and then study and learn to see if that theory would hold ture. Now they create a fact, and then manipulate date and evidence until it proves the fact they created. Science is now shit!
Science is the same it was (unless you went to school before the 20th century), what some people call science is a different thing.
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Quote:Laurel Bristow: Teaching People How to Spot Bad Science Is a Public Health Toolhttps://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/07/teaching-people-how-to-spot-bad-science-is-a-public-health-tool/
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