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I support abortion because I don't think rapists should be allowed to be fathers
#31
I DO NOT support that the sperm donor (in case of rape) has any rights.  

There have been some very controversial legal decisions in regard to this.  I think they are wrong.

However -- I support every child has the right to know who both bio-parents are.  That includes adoption and sperm donation.

Only if this is initiated by the child.
#32
(12-07-2025, 03:31 PM)ANNEE Wrote: I DO NOT support that the sperm donor (in case of rape) has any rights.  

There have been some very controversial legal decisions in regard to this.  I think they are wrong.

Can you elaborate by giving examples please?
#33
(12-07-2025, 03:30 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Forcing women to kill their babies is ALWAYS wrong.

I would only force women to terminate their pregnancy in the event of rape. Otherwise it's up to them and many women choose to abort for comparatively trvial reasons.
#34
(12-07-2025, 03:41 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: I would only force women to terminate their pregnancy in the event of rape. 
Which makes you worse than the rapist.
#35
(12-07-2025, 02:56 PM)FlyersFan Wrote: Forcing someone to kill their child is worse than raping them.
Yes, your attitude is worse than a rapists.

This probably doesn't apply to you since you aren't a Fundy Fanatic,
but those people do have great political sway in America.

Ten Commandments:
" I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me"

and when King David raped Bathsheba,
guess who had to die?

Yep! Bathsheba's first born son,
not David the rapist.

Is the OP's attitude in line with that Old Testament God character?
There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. - Commander William Adama
#36
(12-07-2025, 03:37 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: Can you elaborate by giving examples please?
In 7 US states, rape victims can be legally forced to share custody of their children with their rapist fathers
In 7 US states, rape victims can be legally forced to share custody of their children with their rapist fathers | Fox News
#37
(12-07-2025, 02:16 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: So what I'm saying is in the event of impregnation by rape - abortion should be mandatory.


"Mandatory" is the part that I don't get. A woman should not be forced to carry a baby to term as a result of rape, nor should she be forced to abort it. There's a lot of forced decisions in your scenario, and I don't see anything about the woman's choice.
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#38
(12-07-2025, 03:41 PM)stealth blimp Wrote: I would only force women to terminate their pregnancy in the event of rape. Otherwise it's up to them and many women choose to abort for comparatively trvial reasons.

This is so cringe, as the kids say.
You must develop the ability to be disliked in order to free yourself from the prison of other people's opinions.
#39
Just teach kids that sex is not acceptable when they are young.  When I was in school, abortions were not legal and there were very few girls in schools that got pregnant..  Churches pushed the agenda that it was bad to have sex before marriage.  and shotgun weddings were the norm.  In fact, half of the people I knew when I was young got married because they had to...and those people who had a respect for marriage stayed married, and some of the girls were around seventeen when they had to get married and the boys were eighteen or nineteen.  It was not so much a problem back then when the guy was still a teenager and married someone under eighteen years old....that was better than now where a parent is divorced and taking care of the kids and also working to support the family.

Back in the early seventies and before newly weds only needed one person to work to support the family, if the woman wanted to work, she could get a part time job and they could get ahead and then afford to buy a house instead of renting an apartment for a couple hundred bucks a month.  Houses could be bought in the UP. of Michigan back then, starter homes that needed a little work could be bought for five grand to seven grand.  They had insulation programs to get the houses insulated by the Department of Energy...I worked for those programs, and later I contracted with one of them to do the insulation for those who wee eligible. 

They had food stamps back then, and single women also could get help with their rent.

Part of the reason that was possible is that much of what we used in society was made in America, lots of good paying jobs in cities fed the government programs.  Now those good paying tax paying jobs are gone and our country is going into debt further and further because there are less taxes being paid. 

I know lots of people who worked jobs that had their childs birth costs taken care of by medicaid back then, because many people were not rich, and anyone who didn't have insurance back in the early seventies could get tempory assistance if they got sick or had a kid which was too much for them to afford.  This obamacare crap is a piece of crap compared to what we once had.  People wanted to work back then, most wanted to make it on their own, being on welfare was not socially acceptable unless something happened.

Our society tumbled down through the years, right now, we do not have the decent jobs so people pay taxes into to help those in need.  I remember when almost all washers, dryers, fridges, and cars were made here, creating lots of revenue to help the young to slowly get on their feet.  Yes, there were people that were on welfare back then, I even collected a check for a month back in the eighties waiting for my unemployment to come in.  When I got my backpay of unemployment I tried to pay them back, but the office would not take it...no way to do it.  I put in two weeks working at the welfare office doing janitorial work for my check, and I even got forty bucks in food stamps.  When I got my unemployment check, they said I don't have to finish my hours, but I was in middle of stripping the wax off the counters and refinishing them, so I actually put in more hours than I had to put in because I was not going to leave the job undone....they offered me a job there in maintenance when I was done...but my unemployment check from working at Kohler was more than they were paying back then for maintence people there.  So I collected unemployment for a while, then went back to work at my old job as a foreman that insulated homes again...wow, five bucks an hour as a foreman, but guess what, I could live on that easily....I could even afford to buy a fixer upper house at seven grand with that much money.

Anyone believing what we have now compared to what society offered before is brainwashed.  People back then budgeted their money way better.  Nobody would have paid so much money for a telephone, in fact when I had a cell phone in the late nineties, people thought I was nuts, paying a hundred bucks a month plus forty cents a minute after a hundred minutes seemed nuts to everyone who paid twenty bucks a month for a landline with unlimited talk time.  But since I owned a business, it was worth it to have a cell phone since I was working at a job site all the time and had to call around for supplies and check on deliveries of supplies.

People these days got their heads on backwards.  They have made their wants their needs, and made their needs into complaints.  Sure, I got married after my first wife was pregnant, and after my second wife was pregnant too...but I was responsible enough to tie the knot and pay child support when I got divorced from my first wife.  I have been married to my second wife for forty one years now...and most of those people I mentioned that got married young because they had to...they are still married or stayed married until their spouse died...or now...both are dead because I had older friends and lots of them are both gone.

Another thing, I remember when STDs were not that common.....not so much because of protection, but because people were less promiscious.  Sure, there was fooling around when people were young, but lots of people were not so wild, life was different back then, people were looking more for life partners. 

Do the wife and I have arguments...Yes, arguments are actually beneficial in a marriage, life is not all fun and games....  But those arguments got way less when we started living within our means and started focusing on our needs instead of our wants.

Ok, severely off topic.  I was in favor of abortions being available in the beginning, but they blew it all out of proportion, it was getting that people just blew off protection and started believing abortion was the new norm.  Birth control and sensibility could take care of things, when the abortion became legal it was supposed to be a safety net, but I personally know many people who had them and most of the time they did, they only had an abortion because someone talked them into having it.  They were badgered into believing abortion is normal, it was the right thing to do.  Good thing my granddaughter didn't listen to them, I have two really great great grandkids.  Good thing my oldest daughter had her kids before the abortion push came into play, because I have great grandkids

If someone wants to get an abortion, it is their decision, It is their life.  I will not get involved.  But if I hear someone trying to talk a young women into getting an abortion...by badgering, or pushing their own beliefs on her, I will speak up.  I have known some girls who had abortions because they were talked into it feel bad afterwards and regret listening to the people who talked them into it over the years.  They were talked into an abortion, and it messed up their life.  So I do not think anyone out of their immediate family should try to persuade a girl to have an abortion, planned parenthood should stay the hell out of promoting abortions...and I know from multiple girls/women that they were recommending it to people....straight from the horses mouths.  Some did go through with it, some said no, and planned parenthood even told one that the husband does not need to know anything when she went in...I would not have a great grandson now if she would have listened...even though he can be a five year old terror once in a while, I am glad he is here.

I will never change my opinion of how the direction of abortions was going, If I would have known how it was going to turn out back when they made it legal, I would have fought against abortion.  Yes, initially I felt it was beneficial, but in this century, it seems to have gotten way out of hand.  Bringing in millions of immigrants to hide the drop in our population to hide it is not good, and many of those immigrants kids have to be considered, they had kids, our population of the country would be way less than before if we did not import these baby machines.  Not only can't we make the products we need, we also have to import the kids and kid producers now.
#40
(12-07-2025, 04:05 PM)Bootless Wrote: Is the OP's attitude in line with that Old Testament God character?
Don't know.
all I know is that forcing a woman to abort her baby is worse than raping her.